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Women in Combat

Tinsldr2 Wrote: Feb 06, 2013 9:33 AM
When I was an Army Recruiting Company Commander 2001-2003, we dealt with the media a lot and had to spin the Army Physical Fitness Test (APFT) like this. The APFT measures of a level of cardio and muscle fitness and not an ability to do any specific job. The standard is the SAME for everyone because everyone must score a minimum score of at least 60%. Different age and Body style will have the ability to do differing number of repetition but as the test measures level of fitness not number of repetitions and everyone must get the same 60% level of fitness. Now, nobody who ever said that load of waffle actually believed the test was equal. But hey we were recruiters.
Dave12019 Wrote: Feb 06, 2013 10:14 AM
As a career Army officer (1964-1992), I was commissioned as an Infantry officer in 1968, and served as a Rifle Platoon Ldr, and Rifle Company XO for 8 of my 18 years in the Infantry. Prior to my commissioning, I served 4 years as an EM in a Rifle Company. Naturally, Rifle Companies are all-male units. In 1976, I received a branch transfer to Medical Service, and spent 5 years as a Medical Clearing Company CO. A Medical Clearing Company is co-ed. The Clearing Company I commanded was part of a Support Battalion of an Infantry Brigade.
I can tell you unequivocally that I am firmly convinced that all-male units are definitely more suited to combat conditions and field operations. Social experimentation should have no part in military ops.
Tinsldr2 Wrote: Feb 06, 2013 11:15 AM
I was an enlisted infantry for 4 years then spent 17 as an officer

I agree 100 percent that direct combat battalions like infantry and armor and scouts should be all male
I am simply pointing out that the APFT 60% garbage will be used to say women are meeting the standards

The women are not becoming 11b infantrymen but the medics, commo, intel, and supply at bn and below are currently all male in infantry battalions also. It is those slots that the females will fill

Now they need to be able to keep up with their male counterparts but there is no test other then the APFT so the brass will say they are keeping up when they are not
Tinsldr2 Wrote: Feb 06, 2013 9:35 AM
Now women are not getting Combat MOS's with the new rule. So there will be no new fitness tests required except for the elite units like Ranger Bat, SF, Seals etc

But female Communication specialist will be assigned to regular infantry Battalions and notneed anynew physical tests to do so
Corbett_ Wrote: Feb 06, 2013 9:34 AM

A senior Defense Department official said the ban on women in combat should be lifted because the military's goal is "to provide a level, gender-neutral playing field." I'd like to think the goal of the military should be to have the toughest, meanest fighting force possible. But let's look at "gender-neutral playing field."

The Army's physical fitness test in basic training is a three-event physical performance test used to assess endurance. The minimum requirement for 17- to 21-year-old males is 35 pushups, 47 situps and a two-mile run in 16 minutes, 36 seconds or less. For females of the same age,...