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Social Conservatives: GOP Can't Live Without Them

Tinsldr2 Wrote: Nov 27, 2012 3:26 PM
For Example a priest or Orthodox rabbi does not have to marry someone currently that does not meet their religious requirements. It would be no different in the case of a same sex couple seeking a marriage.
Troglodite Wrote: Nov 27, 2012 4:28 PM
Though I much like that quote and appreciate your bringing it up here, I doubt that Adams or any or his contemporaries could have imagined that we would sink quite as low as we have already sunk. Then again, if they came back to life to talk to us in 2012, they might point out that our immorality and irreligion have ALREADY done us in and that our Constitution is ALREADY dead for all practical purposes.
Seljo Wrote: Nov 27, 2012 4:01 PM
Adams did worry about it. As did others.

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/j/john_adams.html#kAi9OZHPEkMxbyW2.99
Seljo Wrote: Nov 27, 2012 4:01 PM
Adams did worry about it. As did others.

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/j/john_adams.html#kAi9OZHPEkMxbyW2.99
Troglodite Wrote: Nov 27, 2012 3:56 PM
Hamiltonians, to do them justice, would not care for it either! Hamilton probably favored a strong Federal government mostly because he figured that it would always be run by such wise and virtuous men as Washington--and Hamilton! Then again, as someone pointed out yesterday, ALL of the Founders would probably have been shocked and stupefied if they had ever been told that their descendants would even be having this kind of discussion.
Seljo Wrote: Nov 27, 2012 3:47 PM
That's my point. It is not fine in the view of a Jeffersonian Liberal. Progressives stole the word "liberal" about 100 yrs ago to hide themselves...
Troglodite Wrote: Nov 27, 2012 3:41 PM
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From the point of view of the liberals, it is working out just fine in the two cases that you mentioned.
Seljo Wrote: Nov 27, 2012 3:27 PM
Well, we see how that is working in the case of birth control and ObamaCare... it is only a matter of time.
One of the largest elephants in the GOP's post-election room is the fate of Christian and other social conservatives. Party honchos can't just wish this problem away -- or, maybe they can.

There has been increasing hostility toward Christian involvement in politics, and the animus hasn't been solely from the left. To be sure, Democrats have taken the lead, demonizing conservative Christians as science-challenged scolds who don't care about women's "reproductive rights," but there is plenty of antipathy from certain elements within the Republican Party, as well.

Many establishment and some libertarian Republicans have long looked upon Christian conservatives with mild, condescending...