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Rotten to the Core: Obama's War on Academic Standards (Part 1)

Tinsldr2 Wrote: Jan 23, 2013 1:16 PM
traitorbill Wrote: expectations can be used to get soldiers back to the battlefield, why cant they be used to motivate children to learn in school? ...... My opinion is learning and motivation in school is MOSTLY about the parents. There are bad teachers, that are poorly educated and unable to control a class, but that is NOT the majority of teachers. The issue is really the parents. Do the parents take an interest in the education? Do they ensure the kids do homework and check it and go over it with them? Do they reenforce school lessons at home? Do the parents take the teachers side when it comes to disciplining the kids or make excuses for the kids? There are bad teachers but poor parents are worse!
ppotts Wrote: Jan 23, 2013 2:20 PM
thats garbage, my parents could care less and it was always the teachers that made the learning interesting and worthwhile. If a teacher can't entice the student to learn, that teacher needs to be let go in a public school. when the kid is in school, the teacher is in charge. not the parent. If you want the parent to do all the work then the parent might as well home school the child. that is not to say the parent should back up the teachers authority. if necessary
rightmostofthetime Wrote: Jan 23, 2013 3:12 PM
Tin did not say the parents should take over the education of their kids. He (she?) rightly states that parent involvement is a key component of student success. Yes, get rid of bad teachers, but don't discount the role of the parents. Many studies that go beyond your personal anecdote have supported this.
Tinsldr2 Wrote: Jan 23, 2013 3:51 PM
I am a HE bill, and you are correct.

I see it all the time. There are people who learn in spite of their parents, but kids whose parents push them will learn more, do better in school, and get more out of school then kids whose parents do not on average.

Good teachers are important and bad teachers should be fired, especially those that can not control an unruly class or do not know the material

However, a class with 20 plus students has students who will not all be motivated by the same thing. If students dont do work, are disruptive etc a teacher can dock their grade, maybe give them suspension (I think detentions dont exist anymore) or even fail them but the teacher can not force them to learn if the teachers do not care


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