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Several people must never have taken the oath or even read it. wball Wrote: 15 mins ago (5:28 PM) What good is an oath if you haven't sworn to someone or something. If the recruit feels he is unable to take the oath properly, he is unfit to serve. ............... When you take the oath in the ARMY, you do not swear to God that you will do anything. The Recruit or re-enlisting Soldier says to the Officer as the representative of the Army what he will do. the line "so help me God" is a second clarifying statement asking the lord for help in keeping that oath.
weedwam Wrote: 58 mins ago (3:03 PM) If you get a job at Macy's or GE, do you take an oath?.......... Liberal trash always have such a high opinion of our military. Weedwam compares a Soldier who is taking an oath to obey orders and defend the Constitution , possibly to the point of death, with a store clerk at macy;s waiting on the next break to gossip typical military denigrating Lb here is a difference, if the macy's clerk does not obey an order they can get fired, if the Soldier doesn't obey an order they can go to jail but more importantly they get someone killed. The oath is a poignant reminder of those facts and prevents an Airman from coming back later and saying I didn't know I had to obey.
True, I sometimes use my rank in writing formal address but always do so correctly as either Retired Major Rob Li......... or Major (R) Rob Li...... I think it is important to identify those still serving because they actually have 'skin in the game" so to speak the only time I ever slightly misrepresented my rank was when I was a Captain in the Army and I called a navy base and said I was Captain L..... and was amazed at how respectful and eager to please me everyone was. When I remarked on that to my 1SG he said "it is a Navy base and you said Captain, think about it" gave me a chuckle and still makes me smile
General Ray Odierno is still on Active Duty He was a Commander in Iraq for several years working directly under Petraeus during the surge and has a lot of experience in that theater.
Are you saying your word is not YOUR bond and your oath is meaningless? That if you take an oath to do something with or without invoking God you do not feel an obligation to what you said?
This is the oath as the Army takes it : I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." I took it when I enlisted, I took a version of it when I got Commissioned and then as an Officer I must have administered it close to a 100 times or more to other Soldiers. before I administered the oath I would ask them if they would swear or affirm, and then I read it a line at a time and they would repeat it. I never offered a choice to NOT say "so help me God" but if someone had not wanted to say it, I would not have forced them. I served with ALL kinds of people of varying levels of religious and spiritual beliefs including Atheists, Muslims, Christians jews, Wiccans , Pagans etc, and I only ever judged a Soldier or Officer on their Duty performance and the type of life they lived (to a small extent that their conduct reflected on the Army) Their belief or non-belief did not effect the way I judged or treated them. I said So help me God, and if others want to, they can, but if they don't, what is the big deal as long as they want to serve and swear to defend the Constitution.
Cpl, If marc had fired back, expressing his concern eloquently as you did, then I would not have a problem. But his remark raised none of the issues you raised and did not address them at all. it was simply a childish name call and then a strange comment about the FT hood shooter As far as "It is the same, the author of this article (rather dishonestly) left out a LOT of context" I clearly think she was intentionally obfuscating by leaving out extremely pertinent and necessary information. otherwise why would she have left it out?
What does someone that does not believe in God swearing on a God in which they don't believe get you? You have no knowledge of whether this Airman was Communist, or would make a good Airman or a bad one. All we NEED to know, is they were willing to serve and met the requirements when so many others are unwilling
Josh I disagree totally. I have a pretty good sense of Humor, but what is funny about the Ft Hood shooter? Dfloods remarks to which marc replied were not attacking her, but he was rightly pointing out that much of the material needed to form a proper opinion of this was left out.
This was all gone over by our founding fathers... yes it was Joycey But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. -Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782
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