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Tinsldr2 Wrote: 3 hours ago (12:28 PM)
I gave Mud the grounds above and he ignores it The reason they overturn the will of the majority as the people or legislatures voted in the states is that it violates the constitutional amendment which guarantees equal protection under the law. treating the same sex couples differently then the male female couples VIOLATES the Constitution you say you want to follow
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Tinsldr2 Wrote: 15 hours ago (12:48 AM)
yes that applies to Christians as well what is your point. The 14th amendment as i cited elsewhere says that laws must be applied equally. That means ALL laws, marriage laws, traffic laws etc. Now the courts and MOST people, recognize there are times and circumstances where there can not be equal application of the law, A 14 year old can not buy a bottle of Rum and I can at 50. an 18 month old is not the same as an 18 year old under the law. So where there is a compelling Gov interest in denying equal application of the law, it is allowed. That is the US legal system
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Tinsldr2 Wrote: 15 hours ago (12:41 AM)
I dont think anyone is talking about changing the constitution here Mud, I certainly am not. I am talking about adhering to it. it says that all citizens get treated equally under the law. to be exact "nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." Now a same sex couple that wants to marry is denied the equal protections afforded to a male female couple, or more specifically the individuals in the same sex couple are denied the equal protection. So what is the REASON they are denied that ability? What compelling Gov interest is there in that denial? We are not trying to change that Constitution but adhere to it
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Tinsldr2 Wrote: 15 hours ago (12:35 AM)
the constitution itself says that not all rights are enumerated in the Constitution. The founders KNEW that it was not a complete listing of all our rights and our rights do not come from the Constitution, they are protected by it however
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Tinsldr2 Wrote: 15 hours ago (12:20 AM)
Mud again you are unable to answer the question. Typical of you. You want to deny same sex couples the ability to marry. But the reason for that denial must be equally applied to all citizens The reason can not be their fitness as parents because that is not a reason that is used to deny marriages to male and female couples. Nor should it be, So again what is the reason that applies to all citizens to deny them that equal protection of the laws.
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Tinsldr2 Wrote: 15 hours ago (12:15 AM)
That is not true at all. First the founders were a mixed lot and not all believed the same thing. Many owned slaves and wanted that ability preserved. many did not. Their opinions on things like women voting and the place of women in public was also deficient. They were not some great gifted age and all were the same thinkers the likes of which we will never see again. Now I like the founders especially Jefferson and a close second Washington or maybe Madison but they were not fool proof
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Tinsldr2 Wrote: 15 hours ago (12:10 AM)
What I mean is, no one in the U.S. is banned from getting married. Oh I see you are ignoring the topic. A same sex couple can not get married and have legal recognition for that marriage in most states. Might be hard for you to grasp but that is the topic. NOBODY denies that a man can marry a women but the topic is if to women can get married
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Tinsldr2 Wrote: 16 hours ago (12:06 AM)
The arguments the lawyers put forth was pathetic. There are many good works and studies showing the confusion of children raised in mono-sexual homes........................ The lawyers know that argument will not work because the government does not look at the suitability of the parents when it issues a marriage license. An 18 year old prostitute that is female wants to marry a male meth dealer recently let out of jail that lives in a slum and has a history of violence. The Gov does not stop that marriage. But two college educated females witha stable financial home, maturity, and live in a quiet residential neighborhood in the suburbs you want the gov to say they are unfit. No study is going to say they kid with the violent addicted parents living in a slum is more likely to come out better then a kid in a stable home with a same sex couple Further, those same sex couples may already be raising kids. Denying them the ability to get legal marriage recognition does not protect them, it just means the kids LOSE any protections they would get IF the parents were married
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Tinsldr2 Wrote: 16 hours ago (11:58 PM)
The bible is not the law of the land.
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Tinsldr2 Wrote: 16 hours ago (11:56 PM)
Because those bans by those states are unconstitutional---duh The incorporation of the 14th amendment does much to change the tenth amendment and much of that change is GOOD A later amendment always changes what was previous. If you read ALL of the recent 20 or so decisions of courts in this matter they go over the Constitution and show exactly why the bans are unconstitutional. Unequal treatment under the law without a valid Governmental interest in that unequal treatment
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