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Army Orders Bible Verses Scraped Off Scopes

Tinsldr2 Wrote: Apr 23, 2013 9:54 PM
RiffRaff Wrote: (9:26 PM) It may not effect YOU on a personal level but there are some who believe and there are some who will find comfort in the believing. A point to ponder is that some people work better when highly motivated. Soldiers need to work better and should therefore be highly motivated. Taking away any small thing they have, when other items are allowed like a personal crucifix or photos, seems petty to me. ................. I wholeheartedly agree. PERSONAL items, are GREAT. But imagine being forced to carry a Verse of the Koran or a reference to Witchcraft and Wiccan Deities. You cant tell me it wouldnt offend many Christians. Individuals choosing to carry those things fine. But the Gov FORCING someone to carry NO!
Earl29 Wrote: Apr 23, 2013 9:59 PM
We're talking about the government forbidding something not forcing something. We're talking about mutilating serial numbers to be PC.
Tinsldr2 Wrote: Apr 23, 2013 10:13 PM
No Earl you have it backwards. The gov issues those sights to individuals. We sometimes bought our own gear to add to stuff and that can have any message we want. But the sights in question are Gov Issued. So if the Gov issues it to you, with that religious message, you must carry it around.

Now me, I wouldnt mind. But I guarantee if it was a KORAN verse or Wiccan Reference many Christians would complain about having to carry it around. And these pages would be crazy with people condemning the practice.

Even if we are a mostly Christian Nation and we as INDIVIDUALS can practice what we want, the gov cant force Soldiers to carry a religious message. That simple.
JHow Wrote: Apr 23, 2013 9:59 PM
What about all the insignia? "De Opresso liber" mean anything to you? This is nonsense. Whiny atheists.
Tinsldr2 Wrote: Apr 23, 2013 10:09 PM
Yes De Opresso liber means to liberate the oppressed a good motto for the Spec Forces
Tinsldr2 Wrote: Apr 23, 2013 9:57 PM
How does it effect the other persons moral to be forced to carry around a verse of scripture. Does it make him feel like part of a team? Add or distract from his or her motivation.

If you want to personally post a pic of Jesus or prayer or verse in the Vehicle you drive etc, go for it. But you just cant force others to do so. Even in the military.

I defend ANYONES right to their religion but you have no right to FORCE your religion on others.
Tinsldr2 Wrote: Apr 23, 2013 10:07 PM
I should have wrote "How does it effect the other persons morale " not Moral , that E makes a difference sorry for confusion.
Gayle90 Wrote: Apr 23, 2013 10:30 PM
You also should have wrote "written" instead of wrote and "affect" instead of effect.
Tinsldr2 Wrote: Apr 23, 2013 10:42 PM
James____Tx Wrote: Apr 23, 2013 9:57 PM

The U.S. Army is directing troops to remove a Bible inscription that a vendor etched into the serial numbers of weapon scopes, Fox News has learned.

Soldiers at Fort Wainwright in Alaska told Fox News they received a directive to turn in their scopes so the Bible references could be removed.

The scopes were made by Trijicon and referenced New Testament passages in John 8:12 and Second Corinthians 4:6. The verses appeared at the end of the scope serial numbers – “JN8:12” and “2COR4:6.”

“The biblical verse (JN8:12) must be removed utilizing a dremel type tool and then painted black,” read...