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Unions Tell Taxpayers: “We have no confidence in you.”

Tincan844 Wrote: Sep 22, 2012 11:15 AM
There is no correlation between size of class and student performance. Whether children are in public school or at home, the learning will be approximately the same. If two parents are at home, home schooling is better than public school.
M.K. Wrote: Sep 22, 2012 11:33 AM
I taught school back in the 1970's but went into business after ten years. Poor discipline, progressive education and bad teachers ruined the education system. There were some very fine teachers but when are you going to separate the wheat from the chaff. One teacher had her desk draws full of chicken bones. She obviously had used the desk as a trash can.
Many students with potential were handicapped because they were never held accountable.
Kevlar Wrote: Sep 22, 2012 12:21 PM
M.K. you wrote; "There were some very fine teachers but"

I do this too. Teaching is the only profession where we must always say something nice within any honest critique. We've learned it's the only way to avoid the temper tantrum.
Imagine if we said; 'now there's lots of great engineers out there but...the bad ones need to find other work'.
Curtis108 Wrote: Sep 22, 2012 4:19 PM
The fundamental problem is that there are some great teachers out there, but the success of teaching is largely not measurable until a decade or two after it occurs.
rightmostofthetime Wrote: Sep 22, 2012 4:28 PM
Not true. A good principal can successfully evaluate teachers on the job they're doing, just as a successful manager in a company can evaluate other employees. Teachers are correct that it is unfair to use student test scores as the sole basis for evaluation, but they also resist any other reasonable evaluation methods.
FletchforFreedom Wrote: Sep 22, 2012 11:27 AM
The studies on the matter demonstrate conclusively that you are correct with regard to the "benefits" of class size. It is a key issue for teachers unions not because of ANY benefit for students but because the smaller the class sizes, the greater the need for teachers.

All over the country, union leaders are demanding that communities cough up extra cash to help “make teachers whole.” And unions around the country are testing the waters with teachers by asking teachers in budget stricken districts to vote “no confidence” in the community to send a message to taxpayers to cough up cash or else.

The “or else?”

Strike.      

Never mind making communities whole; those communities can never be whole under Obama.

As cash-strapped municipalities deal with declining tax revenues and too-rosy assumptions made by administrators and union officials, teachers unions are stamping their feet, holding their breath and...