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France Trades Free Speech for a Genderless Society

tibby2 Wrote: Jan 05, 2013 1:18 PM
Often the same people who complain about their gay rights are the same people who will not respect the property rights of others. Collectivists always seek to find a wedge issue to pit groups against each other. If property rights don't exist then why do you even need "marriage" in the first place? While it may have a religious basis there would be no secular need for the existence of "marriage". If you really want "gay" rights then you had better work to get government to respect property rights.
DHE Wrote: Jan 05, 2013 3:01 PM
When you use property rights to attack cultural norms that really have nothing to do with those principles, you do injury to your own cause. I could ask you - if you believe in property rights, why do you want the government to determine who can have a committed relationship, especially since it would include regularizing property laws for all couples, not just heterosexuals? Same sex marriage does not harm property laws, unless by that, you mean selective laws which reward the favored. If that is the case, well, then, you may like what you call property laws, but you are no libertarian.
David3036 Wrote: Jan 05, 2013 1:43 PM
What in the world does the gay rights movement have to do with property rights?

When a society’s laws recognizing marriage as the union of one man and one woman are changed to honor the unions of same-sex couples, it’s not just the law that changes—it’s also the society itself that changes. A top-down metamorphosis begins in which every aspect of public law changes to match the new definition of marriage.

Today, this is playing out in France with great clarity.

There, Minister Najat Vallaud-Belkacem is pressing Twitter to help control the speech of the people by censoring messages that run counter to the position of the French government.

In particular, Belkacem wants Twitter to...