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John McCain and Lindsey Graham Call Rand Paul Filibuster a "Political Stunt"

ThumpasaurasVox Wrote: Mar 07, 2013 8:10 PM
IF We are under imminent threat the President is SPECIFICALLY authorized to use lethal force IN CERTAIN situations by LAW ---------------------------------------------------------- The President has to establish an emergency situation that threatens national security akin to wartime invasion in order to use military force against the citizens. The concept of habeas corpus dictates that due process must be followed before any domestic use of military force is authorized.
Resist, We Much!!! Wrote: Mar 07, 2013 8:41 PM
Then, tell us why the Federal government decided it could use lethal force on the Weaver family before it even engaged them.

You might want to go back and read my posts on the subject or just keep in mind that there was a reason that defence counsel, Gerry Spence, rested without calling a single witness in a death penalty case, Randy Weaver walked out a free man, and the Federal government paid the surviving family members millions of dollars.

It is kind of hard to "turn yourself in," as you argued, when the court screws up the court date, the judge is informed and STILL issues a warrant, the Feds seek and received new ROE giving them the right to shoot on sight based on lies, trespass repeatedly, shoot the family dog, which precipitates
Resist, We Much!!! Wrote: Mar 07, 2013 8:42 PM
the initial confrontation which also left a 12 year-old boy dead, the shot Weaver in the back and his wife through the head as she was opening the cabin door from the inside and holding her infant daughter.

Tinsldr2 Wrote: Mar 07, 2013 8:51 PM
Was that case authorized under the law? Did they pay the family a settlement?

Going there to arrest him was authorized. the Feds doing so botched the job. The trigger pulled by the guy who shot the kid was not authorized by the President.

Again you said it your self below, there are extraordinary cases where use of deadly force is authorized...

Get it through your head:

NO ONE denies the FACT that the President has the Constitutional right, no duty, to repel invasions, put down insurrections and defend the nation against sudden attacks.

A good lawyer told me that!!

Resist, We Much!!! Wrote: Mar 07, 2013 9:10 PM
No, the case was NOT authorised under law. The requirements for lethal force were NOT met.

"Gong there to arrest him was authorized. the Feds doing so botched the job"

They had been there for months.

"Again you said it your self below, there are extraordinary cases where use of deadly force is authorized..."

Ruby Ridge was not one of those cases. See Tennessee v Garner or should I reproduce the relevant portions of it again for you?

"was not authorized by the President."

No one said anything about the President. You said earlier that Randy Weaver could have avoided everything if he had "just turned himself in." Well, I'm sorry, but I don't think that people should have to turn themselves in or run the risk of being shot dead

Resist, We Much!!! Wrote: Mar 07, 2013 9:12 PM
when the fact pattern is as it was in RR. You are putting the burden on the citizen rather than the government.

"Get it through your head: NO ONE denies the FACT that the President has the Constitutional right, no duty, to repel invasions, put down insurrections and defend the nation against sudden attacks. A good lawyer told me that!!"

And, NONE OF THOSE APPLY TO RUBY RIDGE OR EVEN WACO, FOR THAT MATTER.
nimh2 Wrote: Mar 08, 2013 9:41 AM
The whole Randy Weaver case was predicated on turning Mr. Weaver into an "criminal and "informant" after federal "agents" entrapped him into sawing off two shotgun barrels one-quarter-inch below the "legal" minimum. Of course, he REFUSED to spy on his neighbors . . . the tragic "rest of the story" PROVES criminal and unconstitutional actions by the federal government. Of course, it was "covered up" by the "mainstream media . . . the family was paid a large amount to keep the government out of court. "Sniper" Lon Horiuchi should have been convicted of murder along with the rest of the federal agents.

As Michelle Malkin would say, beltway barnacles John McCain and Lindsey Graham have crawled out from under their rock of irrelevancy to feed their attention starved egos. McCain and Graham are slamming Senator Rand Paul's efforts to stand up for civil liberties of American citizens, which he did through filibuster yesterday. They've even gone so far as saying Paul has done a disservice to the debate surrounding drone use. Apparently, pointing out the droning of American citizens on U.S. soil is unconstitutional and that Americans deserve due process before being killed is totally not helpful, or something.

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