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The Atheist Response to Sandy Hook

The Original King Wrote: Jan 15, 2013 12:27 PM
IMHO.............saying "No God, no Wisdom" is every bit as obnoxious as someone like Bill Maher claiming that people who are religious are (pretty much by definition) lacking in general wisdom. If anything, this tends to show the bubble that Prager lives in.....in my life I have met MANY people who were FULL of wisdom who did not believe in God. (and, to be sure I have met MANY people who were also full of wisdom who DID believe in God). Prager's comment is stunningly simplistic and closeminded, even for him.
DCM in FL Wrote: Jan 15, 2013 12:52 PM
Do you really mean "wisdom" or "intelligence"?
ConcealedCarry Wrote: Jan 15, 2013 12:38 PM
How 'bout the phrase: "No God, no free choice." The belief in a lack of free choice is a belief that is endemic among atheists.

This gives greater credence to the phrase, "No God, no wisdom."
Dean197 Wrote: Jan 15, 2013 1:01 PM
We don't make our choices in a vacuum (I can't choose to walk through walls or have wealthy parents), but I can certainly choose among the choices available to me. I don't think it gets any freer than that., does that put me in the 'no free choice' camp?
Chries Wrote: Jan 15, 2013 1:24 PM
Dean, I think CC said the belief is endemic, not unanimous. You may well believe in free choice. If so, you may not be an atheist (a lack of belief in free choice is consistent with atheist philosophy; a belief in free choice is inconsistent atheist philosophy).
Dean197 Wrote: Jan 15, 2013 3:28 PM
I can't speak for all atheists of course, but my observation is that they may be more inclined to take the possibility that free will as it is normally understood doesn't exist, because of a tendency to accept what neuroscience seems to be telling us, but we argue about it fiercely among ourselves. I note that believing we have no free will leads to contradictions, so I still reject the notion. There's a strong argument to be made (and the Calvinists make it) that free will is inconsistent with Christian theology (how can there be free will when the being who made everything knows all your choices in advance?). Let's you and I enjoy our free will while the philosophers duke it out.
Last week the New York Times published an opinion piece that offered atheism's response to the evil/tragedy in which 20 children and six adults were murdered at the Sandy Hook elementary school in Connecticut.

What prompted Susan Jacoby to write her piece was a colleague telling her that atheism "has nothing to offer when people are suffering."

She wrote the piece, "The Blessings of Atheism" ("It is Here and It is Now!" screams the subhead) to prove her colleague wrong by offering a consoling atheist alternative to religion's consoling belief in an afterlife. Atheists cannot believe that there is any...

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