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Dogs, Strangers and God

The Original King Wrote: Aug 20, 2013 10:39 AM
Prager's VERY overplayed contention that you need to believe in an invisible man in the sky (and one who, apparently looks like us, to boot) in order to value human life over animal life is completely false. I don't believe in God and can come up with several logical reasons (as opposed to Prager's emotion based reasons) why I would save the human first. here are 3 quick ones....(1) the average human is MUCH more highly developed and intelligent than a dog (2) the average human figures to have a considerably longer lifespan than a dog and (3) if the average human dies, the effect on his family and friends would be much greater than the effect that a death of a dog would have (especially since these stupid scenarios usually involve a stray dog that happens to be wandering the streets at the time). And I would have all of these SAME points if I somehow was in the position of having to choose between saving the life of a dog or an ant. Same principle.
Illbay Wrote: Aug 20, 2013 2:02 PM
You want to know what's "overplayed"?

Atheist's incessant need to show up in discussions that have nothing to do with them or what they believe (or don't believe), and thumb their noses at everyone to get attention.
The Original King Wrote: Aug 20, 2013 4:48 PM
Illbay.................sorry if some opposing thoughts bother you that much but in this case I have actually heard prager ask for people to call in and explain what possible reason they would have for saving the stranger over the dog if they don't believe that man is created in God's image. In my earlier post I mentioned 3 very common sense reasons that have NOTHING to do with even a belief that God exists. So, if Prager was being intellectually honest in his contention that there can't be ANY non-religious reason to, in effect, value human life over that of a dog, he now has his answer.....but I'm sure he'll maintain his same nonsensical position.
Bondman60 Wrote: Aug 21, 2013 3:11 PM
1. Who says humans are more intelligent and developed than dogs? Humans say that. If they could speak, dogs might beg to differ. 2. By this logic, you should save a young dog rather than an old human. 3. What if the dog just had puppies, but the human is a batchelor with no living family or friends? Total fail, Original King. Prager's point was not so much that everyone has to believe in God, but that the moral absolute is that human beings are created (a positive act) in the image of the Creator. If the Creator is acknowledged as a higher power, whose morality is superior to man's own judgements and feelings, there is no moral ambiguity. If there is no superior authority, morality is arbitrary and relative, and inevitably ends up as tyranny and cruelty to the powerless.
The Original King Wrote: Aug 21, 2013 3:48 PM
Bondman......sorry, but you're grasping at straws. I happen to love dogs. Haven't been without at least one for YEARS now.......but if you're going to try to open up a debate as to whether humans or dogs are more intelligent and developed, we're probably just spinning our wheels. As to the other 2 points.................that's similar to when someone tries to nitpick the original question by asking "Who would I save between a human and a dog...well, what if the human was a Gestapo officer whi gassed hundreds of people each day?"
I believe the point of the question is always that the drowning human is a complete stranger and , as such, you wouldn't know that he had absolutely no living family, no friends, no co-workers, etc who would grieve over his passing. There would just be the assumption that people would grieve....not that this happened to be the one in 10,000,000 people who have NO ties to anyone whatsoever.
goldilocks Wrote: Aug 21, 2013 4:02 PM
cambeul41 Wrote: Aug 21, 2013 5:58 PM
And in any discussions involving Christian "like-thinkers" any thoughts expressed that are not like-thinking are automatically dismissed as being off-topic or something like that?
IsraelFirsterSecond Wrote: Aug 20, 2013 12:25 PM
Dogs are cheaper than humans. Pick the dog and let nature take its course.
goldilocks Wrote: Aug 20, 2013 10:46 AM
the Hebraic God is not "an invisible man in the sky".

But he will not mention his real view of God.

He is not an orthodox Jew.
The Original King Wrote: Aug 20, 2013 11:02 AM
IIRC, credit for that line should go to George Carlin.