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Poverty Causes Crime?

The Original King Wrote: Nov 18, 2014 11:46 AM
10.............the comment that I was responding to has absolutely nothing to do with a progressive tax, nor with any type of tax at all. It has to do with there supposedly being a liberal mindset that approves of or encourages taking someone else's property for YOURSSELF if you so desire. So, again I'll be happy to see any specific quotes along THOSE lines by normative libs.
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Poverty Causes Crime?

The Original King Wrote: Nov 18, 2014 10:52 AM
KYoung............when you get a minute, please post a few examples in which a normative liberal made a comment remotely close to your "quote". If your "quote" is supposedly logical to liberals, then NUMEROUS liberals should be saying that on a daily basis. So, let's see you point out some examples where people like Rachel Maddow, Al Franken, Nancy Pelosi, Bernie Sanders, Sean Penn, etc etc etc etc are telling people, for example, that it's OK to steal a neighbors TV if it's something that you want.
From this week's Time Magazine election "review"......."The work paid off in a campaign virtually free of GOP gaffes- a welcome change from 2010 and 2012 when republican candidates mused disastrously on topics ranging from witchcraft TO RAPE (emphasis mine) to the threat of Shir'a law in Dearborn Michigan". So, to review, with the GOP on the edge of these massive election victories, Prager decides to give a speech in which he provides his take on campus rape and how unwanted kisses aren't all that bad.....hey, my wife gets them all the time, ha ha. The GOP supervisor that was in charge of the rally probably soiled himself while wondering "WHY IN THE HELL IS THIS BONEHEAD TALKING ABOUT RAPE!!!???" But, in the end, Prager's antics did not derail the GOP avalanche..........so, what does Prager take from this? That the election results "vindicated" his stupidly timed comments and that the supervisor who was probably on the verge of a heart attack that night should be fired for daring to question what prager did.
JFK............thanks for those kind words. Looking foward to our next very civil debate...unfortunately, there's often too little of that here. Cheers!
JFK.......I don't really agree. I think that, quite often whenever anyone is complaining about "dysfunction" they are specifically talking about many of the very simple, no brainer issues that both sides can't even get together enough to put it up for a vote. I imagine that there is always going to be some "dysfunction" when it comes to the major issues that really separate the two parties.
JFK...and I should add that I absolutely believe that "dysfunction" can be, and often is, a 2 way street. I don't hold harry Reid in much higher regard than I do Mitch McConnell. And if Reid ever said (as McConnell did) that, at this point, two years away from the 2016 elections, his primary goal was to see to it that the Dems won in 2016 ( as opposed to actually governing with an eye on serving the people) , I would be disgusted to the point where I'd probably go 100% independent/3rd party.
JFK....I wouldn't agree with the exact spin that you put on it in terms of their desire to make government "bigger and more intrusive". What I would say is that Dems (and many others) consider Wash to be dysfunctional when the 2 sides can't work together and can't even get an up or down vote regarding some relatively minor issue such as naming a surgeon general. Implying that EVERY single vote or measure that could not be worked out would have made government "bigger and more intrusive" is simply not accurate.
Regarding the very first sentence of this column, anytime Prager begins his thoughts by making some type of comparison or connection between libs/dems and Bolshevik Russia, you know that what follows is going to be pretty damn shallow (similar to if a lib columnist began by making a comparison between the GOP and Nazi Germany). But it's the second part of the sentence that, to me, is more noteworthy......"the left has shaped the truth to serve its goals". From time to time, of course they do......but is his point that the right/GOP does NOT do the exact same thing? EVERY single election year, is it ONLY the Dems who hire tons and tons of consultants who, in the end, run false and misleading ads insisting, over a grainy, unflattering photo of the opponent, that said opponent "is bad for...( fill in the country, state, county, city)....". The plain truth is that the right/ GOP does EVERY bit as much "shaping the truth" as the left/Dems do. Hell, Frank Luntz (a guy that I actually kind of like...he's got a great sense of humor) is among those who makes a very good living "shaping the truth" for the GOP.
seventeen.......why in the world would you ask that? The person asked for one example of an honest progressive and I "nominated" Pope Frances. How that would possibly make me anti-Catholic, or, even worse, antisemitic is beyond me. All your post proves to me is that despite Prager's contentions to the contrary, conservatives can also be pretty quick to hang labels on people. So, anyway, what is your problem with my suggesting the Pope as an honest progressive..........you should only have a problem with it if (1) you don't think he's progressive...which would put you 180 degrees apart from prager or (2) he's not honest. So, which is it?
seventeen.......why in the world would you ask that? The person asked for one example of an honest progressive and I "nominated" Pope Frances. How that would possibly make me anti-Catholic, or, even worse, antisemitic is beyond me. All your post proves to me is that despite Prager's contentions to the contrary, conservatives can also be pretty quick to hang labels on people. So, anyway, what is your problem with my suggesting the Pope as an honest progressive..........you should only have a problem with it if (1) you don't think he's progressive...which would put you 180 degrees apart from prager or (2) he's not honest. So, which is it?
seventeen76........well, in this particular post, I was referring to prager's CONSTANT Aids references, including in THIS column. I didn't just drag that topic in here out of left field. But, to your main point here, all I have been trying to point out is that, although Prager doesn't come right out and say it, his clear implication is that NOW the Dems are claiming that Wash is dysfunctional. He says "SINCE LAST TUESDAY'S ELECTIONS, commentator after commentator on the left has declared American politics dysfunctional". In addition, the very title of the article is "When Republicans win, politics are dysfunctional". Now, MY take on those comments........and it's certainly possible that I'm wrong in my interpretation........is that the Dems were basically cruising along thinking that everything was fine UNTIL they got this election day drubbing and NOW they are insisting, more or less for the first time, that there is dysfunction in Wash. And my follow up point was that claims of dysfunction are NOT anything new and were being made prior to and after the very successful 2012 campaign.
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