a gun from Arizona! Cowboy Robert!
MDiv from Duke and 15 years a UMC pastor, bro.

you nailed it.

mick

I draw the line in two places.
1. In front of The Wall.

2. Ten paces further out.

Then I stick you on the first line and the flamethrowers on the second and say "Fire"!

that help?

mick

Oh yeah, forcing a guy not to pursue the height of Romantic Love as ingesting his own elimination off some dude's member would certainly harm him all right.

Query Jeffe, exactly how does abortion NOT force harm on an innocent?

Me I figure I got a right to be secure in my person to keep perverts out of my kids' face.
Keep it in your closet, Jeffe and we got no problems, n'est ce pas?

mick

And consensual S&M, B&D, Power Transference, Polygamy and even, very soon, Trans-species sex.

Congrats MKH you managed to norm every perversion BUT pedophilia!

You nailed him, Dog!

Hey MkH? On what possible LOGICAL basis do you make "consenting adult" ABSOLUTELY ARBITRARY?
In many, perhaps most cultures through History and even today, Juliet/Paris marriages were quite common and consentual "she has not seen the turn of 14 summers. Younger then this, in Verona are happy mothers made."

Why is saying "a 16 year old can't give meaningful consent" any less arbitrary then saying "no prhomo"?

mick

you are saying, or at least I assume I don't, because what you APPEAR to be saying is UTTER NONSENSE!!!

You appear to be saying that unless one is prepared to enforce ALL the Law, one is OBLIGATED NOT to enforce ANY of it!

So, you arguing that if we ignore Jay Walking we're not allowed to enforce the Laws against HOMICIDE?

Gee Dan, rather than beech and look for loopholes why DON'T you MAKE AN ATTEMPT to keep it all?

mick

We live in interesting times.

I think President Watermelon's street cred is draining away like an outgoing tide.

You see where he came down of Honduras? WITH Chavez and Castro!

Keeps his mouth shut about the Thugs in Iran, then lines UP with the Would be Dictator Gaming the Constitution in Honduras AND his Dictator Buddies.
Think maybe President Jughead would like to be der Schwarzen Fuehrer for LIFE!
mick

LIke I say, I ran the Greek analysis and am convinced the NT does not bar women from leadership and indicates they HAD 1st Century women IN Leadership.

I ain't gonna argue it with ya though cause you may be right and me wrong and I ain't gonna convince you. If you want my reasons for curiosities sake, ok, but I WILL NOT DEBATE IT--ok?

Having said that, and not being able to speak for any other Denom, I CAN say that I am also convinced, that however good, right, smart, necessary--whatever it WAS in the Methodist Church--IT WAS ALSO THE WEDGE BY WHICH SOME POWERS SEEK TO NORM HOMOSEX in the Church.
The Feminist Wing of the Female Leadership Movement had/has a STRONG Lesbian Component to it and it was the camel's nose...

Was it Neibaur? (sp?) who theologized the whole Christ and Culture thing? Christ against, Christ over?

Avery Dulles (brother of John Foster Dulles) who just died recently wrote "Models of the Church" in which he agrees with you that the Church was not tasked with Cultural Reformation.
"Justification has to be sought on grounds other than Biblical" is his phrase.

C.S. Lewis makes a similar point about what he calls "Christianity And" (Screwtape Letters I believe) and says if you are looking to make Christianity your vehicle for Societal Change "you might as well look for the Stairway to Heaven at the Home Depot."

The aforementioned Stanley Hauerwas and Will Wilemon at Duke were pitching the Against Culture Model...

Or the preacher who tore his robe off in the pulpit to display the Continental Uniform underneath. Or the Congregational Pastor who, when musket wads (held the bullet and powder properly in the barrel) ran low at Saratoga, dashed into his church and returned with a load of hymnals which he promptly began tearing up for paper wads with the words: "Give em Watts boys, give em Watts!"

As I said, I consider it not only a valid, but a vital question to ask if this time Revolution precedes Revival. How would we recognize it? What would Godly Rebellion look like? How would it organize itself?

mick

I agree, and push it further. I think a case can be made that the "no ending prep" rule is a WAY TOO OLD School hold over from the totally bigoted preference for Greek and Latin models.

Latin rules of word order etc should no longer have any following in English.

Put the Grand Coolie Dam Preposition where it makes the most GCD sense and reads the smoothest and screw em!

mick