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We Know How to Stop School Shootings

the_original_bad_karma Wrote: Dec 20, 2012 5:21 PM
The revelation that "Gun Free Zones" do more harm than good was covered by Doug Giles article here at Townhall three days before Ann wrote of it. Very similar theme. Ann should have offered Doug some credit for that. And now maybe offer him an apology for the ommission. (I don't know Doug, by the way.) Any hoot, I like the way Ann built on Doug's theme. Ms. Coulter could make that giant leap for mankin: from Conservative Critic to Conservative Leader--if she could just get over herself.
Dan_AZ Wrote: Dec 20, 2012 5:59 PM
Ann = Conservative Leader? Not in this case, sorry. I'm very much to the Right, can't stand Obambi & Dems (so spare me with 'libtard' etc), but:
1. We should not have available for general public weapons able to rapid fire. The disaster from Newtown suggests that Lanza had weapon(s) able to fire lots of rounds. This should be very very hard to have for regular civilians.
2. More conceal-carry? It would mean more 'unfortunate accidents'. For example this disaster from Newtown happened as a result of a 'conceal-carry' that went wrong. Ms. Lanza had weapons in the house, deranged kid grabbed them and voila.
Original Saepe_Expertus Wrote: Dec 20, 2012 6:22 PM
Dan_AZ...Unsure what you mean by "...weapon(s) able to fire lots of rounds." ALL weapons can do that. You must mean able to fire more than ONCE before reloading. And...."...rapid fire..."? HUH. Rapid fire would be a revolver...pull the trigger as fast as possible is 'rapid fire? Are you thinking he had automatic weapons? HE DID NOT! He did have the civilian AR-15, named the Bushmaster by the manufacturer. It is SEMI-Automatic. One trigger pull, one round. ALSO...NONE of Mrs. Lanza's weapons have ANYTHING to do with 'concealed carry. They were in her home. SHE is as culpable as he; she did NOTHING to rein in the years of bizarre and semi-violent behavior that SHOULD have been a 'red flag' to her that something was Terribly Wrong!
Original Saepe_Expertus Wrote: Dec 20, 2012 6:26 PM
ALSO....what in the world does 'concealed carry' have to do with "...more 'unfortunate accidents' ??? The shooting was NOT an accident. From there you make the bizarre and logically-disjointed leap that 'concealed carry' allowed this maniac to do what he did? HOW? Do you not understand that it is the PERSON and not the weapon that committed the EVIL? He was the AGENT of EVIL; the weapon was merely the means. NO LAW would have prevented that. He broke at least 7 laws before ever getting to the school.
Dan_AZ Wrote: Dec 20, 2012 6:36 PM
Lanza shot deadly 27 people. He must have had weapons able to fire fast lots of rounds. Large magazines and/or mods to those weapons.
Ann is going in this text for more concealed-carry. Many here on TH are for concealed-carry to be law in ALL the schools. That's wrong. Imagine how many 'unfortunate accidents' may happen: spouses/teenagers of teachers getting those guns and going berserk like this guy.
Lady Wolverine Wrote: Dec 20, 2012 6:51 PM
Imagine that. The funny thing is I ALWAYS carried my gun when on the job as a 4th grade teacher for the Ann Arbor Public Schools. NO ONE ever knew it and none of my students ever got shot by it.
So you were saying Dan?
Original Saepe_Expertus Wrote: Dec 20, 2012 6:58 PM
DAN...you WROTE: "He must have had weapons able to fire fast lots of rounds." He was carrying pistols, semi-automatics. Same style as carried by police. You are STILL trying to make it about the weapons! YOU ARE WRONG ON THIS! You are attempting to link 'going berserk' with the fact that someone has a firearm in their hand! Do you REALLY believe that a firearm MAKES people crazy? Well....yesterday 300 million firearms, owned by private citizens, did NOT go out and commit mass murder of 300 million people? WHY NOT???
Tampa Tom Wrote: Dec 20, 2012 7:05 PM
Dear Danlibtard,
Ever OWNED a gun?
1. Any gun holding multiple rounds can be "rapid-fired", so, in your ignorance, you say no one should have one. That'd narrow me down to my single shot Stevens .22 rifle.
2. Read up on the violent crime rates in Florida and find out what's happened to them since we have gotten more CCW's that any other state. To help you out, the numbers of such crimes have diminshed rapidly. The police (read government here) want to claim they've improved their procedures. Liberal bs.
You're either very ignorant or, contrary to what you'd have us believe, you ARE a leftist, kool-ade drinking oh! bummer!nite.
Jay Wye Wrote: Dec 20, 2012 7:16 PM
semi-auto,magazine-fed rifles such as the AR-15 and AK-47 are today's modern MILITIA weapons,and thus should be the most protected of firearms under the Second Amendment.

Militiamen were expected to appear for muster bearing arms and ammo similar to and compatible with what the Regular military had in use AT THAT TIME.
Since we "compromised" and restricted ownership of full-auto,true assault rifles,that leaves the semi-auto versions for civilian militia use.
Jay Wye Wrote: Dec 20, 2012 7:17 PM
In US v Miller,SCOTUS asked if a short-barreled shotgun was a weapon that a militia would commonly use,implying that arms protected by the 2nd Amendment had to be arms a militia would use. AR-15's,M-16's and AK-47s would be ordinary militia arms,and "hi-capacity magazines" also would be protected.

the Second Amendment is NOT about hunting and sporting.it's about the people retaining the ability to "alter or to abolish" a government gone bad,as written in the Declaration of Independence.
Jay Wye Wrote: Dec 20, 2012 7:18 PM
the popular misconception is that teachers or other school employees are a "worse threat" to the students (that is REALLY irrational) and ineffective against an armed intruder. That is untrue. Any armed school person would have to have a concealed carry permit,and permit holders have proven themselves to be safe and law-abiding,in EVERY US state that issues the permits.There's no reason or evidence to believe that permit holders would act any different on school grounds than they do in other public places. There's no evidence that a permittee would shoot an innocent,that just has not happened (by a permit holder) in real life,after decades of CC and thousands of defensive gun uses.
Jay Wye Wrote: Dec 20, 2012 7:18 PM
allowing armed school employees who have carry permits costs nothing,and puts armed GOOD people right where they would be needed all the time the school is open,close to the children that need protecting.
It's a PROVEN-to-work method.(Israel does it,and it works there,against real terrorists.)
Jay Wye Wrote: Dec 20, 2012 7:19 PM
Having armed teachers (and other school employees)is like having plainclothes police scattered all around the school,at no cost. it's the smart thing to do.
71 911E, TX Wrote: Dec 20, 2012 10:41 PM
Dan, you're ignorance is stupendous.
71 911E, TX Wrote: Dec 20, 2012 10:41 PM
Dan, you're ignorance is stupendous.
the_original_bad_karma Wrote: Dec 21, 2012 9:31 AM
What's typical of the MSM is that the details coming out of the Newtown, though preliminary, reported that the murderer left the assault rifle in the car and didn't use it. Perhaps it was too bulky and conspicuous? That detail may have evolved. After all, the early reports even got the shooter's ID wrong.
the_original_bad_karma Wrote: Dec 21, 2012 9:38 AM
She was saying that good citizens who were 'carrying' actually limited the size of the killings. She mentions the Mother Jones survey only included masacres numbering more than 4 people.
Ralph178 Wrote: Dec 20, 2012 5:47 PM
The dangers of gun free zones is not some novel idea that just suddenly popped up as a result of the Newtown massacre. Many people already recognize this and the topic has been discussed many times. Ms. Coulter simply did what she usually does. She used crystal clear logic and facts to back up and reinforce the case. I personally like her style. She pulls no punches and takes no prisoners. I didn't read Doug Giles article so I cannot compare the two articles. It is quite possible that they both decided to write an article on the same subject. Given the timing right after this obvious case of "gun free zone massacre" I expect several articles on this theme. It IS a strong case on how to avoid this tragedy in the future.
the_original_bad_karma Wrote: Dec 21, 2012 9:33 AM
http://townhall.com/columnists/douggiles/2012/12/16/new-rule-all-teachers-should-be-required-to-carry-guns-n1467753/page/full/
the_original_bad_karma Wrote: Dec 21, 2012 9:46 AM
Ann's additions to the theme were more thoroughly researched. Perhaps because she had 3 more days to write it. Seems unlikely she didn't read Doug's effort. Ann's narcissism is her downfall. Can't lead if you're too busy looking in the mirror.

In the wake of a monstrous crime like a madman's mass murder of defenseless women and children at the Newtown, Conn., elementary school, the nation's attention is riveted on what could have been done to prevent such a massacre.

Luckily, some years ago, two famed economists, William Landes at the University of Chicago and John Lott at Yale, conducted a massive study of multiple victim public shootings in the United States between 1977 and 1995 to see how various legal changes affected their frequency and death toll.

Landes and Lott examined many of the very policies being proposed...

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