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Obama Versus Obama: Part III

tgwWhale Wrote: Sep 27, 2012 1:37 PM
Sowell says Obumble has fooled lots of people by saying one thing and doing another, i.e., lying. But did you notice that there is one issue that he didn't fudge? Yes, I'm talking about the "A" word. Abortion. Obumble has been for it, big-time, from day one. Even Slick Willie never fudged his support for abortion, and the current looter-in-chief certainly hasn't. Abortion is such a black-and-white issue that you gotta be either "fer" it or "agin" it. And I will point something out to you libertarian types: all my life I've been voting "agin" it, and my votes have been right every single time on the other issues, too. You see, the Slick WIlly and Obumble types don't fool us social cons. We have the issue that they can't fudge.
Doug5049 Wrote: Sep 27, 2012 5:47 PM
Rich claims to be a Ron Paul supporter, yet he's pro-abortion. He's a liar.
Rich Grise Wrote: Sep 27, 2012 1:53 PM
So, a 32-cell blastula is a full-on human being, but the woman that it's parasitizing is what? A beast of Burden? If a woman's body isn't her own property, then exactly whose property is she?
Leslie32 Wrote: Sep 27, 2012 2:03 PM
Yes the woman has a choice! She can keep her legs closed! Once she has made the choice to have sex without taking proper precautions against pregnancy her choice has a consequence. The baby does not deserve the death penalty for the woman's bad choices.
Bob F. RVN70-71 Wrote: Sep 27, 2012 2:08 PM
Rich:
A developing human baby is a parasite?
Rich Grise Wrote: Sep 27, 2012 2:18 PM
Well, every molecule of its body, except for the original sperm, of course, was provided by her - isn't that pretty much the definition of "parasite?"

Again, if a woman's body and its contents aren't her own property, then will somebody please tell me exactly whose property she is?

And anyway, according to Genesis 2:7, http://bible.cc/genesis/2-7.htm , it becomes a livinb being when it breathes the Breath os Life, so if it's not breathing, it's not a separate living being. So if you're going to Bible-thump, at least get it straight.
bill3313 Wrote: Sep 27, 2012 2:43 PM
Are you against partial-birth abortion?
MG formerly minnesotagrandma Wrote: Sep 27, 2012 3:06 PM
9 months. Thats all it takes to give the baby a chance.
Do you support women's "right to know" legislation? Or do you go along with planned parenthoods philosophy that the LESS a woman knows about her choice the better?
If you REALLY are for the "my body my choice" philosophy I guess you want to legalize drugs, prostitution and organ selling. My body my choice right?
At least you don't yammer on about "viability".
MG formerly minnesotagrandma Wrote: Sep 27, 2012 3:14 PM

Jeremiah 1:5
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,
and before you were born I consecrated you;
I appointed you a prophet to the nations.
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Luke 1:44 ESV

For behold, when the sound of your greeting came to my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy. (John the Baptist was already John the Baptist IN THE WOMB. His life had been planned. Of course, he could have refused but didn't)



Look who's not getting it straight. The athiest. Big surprise there.
George257 Wrote: Sep 27, 2012 3:47 PM
Babies are not property either, rich. 'Nor are they parasites. Except perhaps in your case.
Seawolf Wrote: Sep 27, 2012 4:45 PM
SO, you were a parasite on your mother? Sounds like you are a parasite on society....maybe she should have been pro choice in your case... At the end of the day, the 2 cells that started it all result in a human baby ergo he/she is entitled to the full protection of the laws that govedrn YOU and the rest of us...only a fool would argue otherwise and you support a fool and a murderer.
Seawolf Wrote: Sep 27, 2012 4:45 PM
ksed Wrote: Sep 27, 2012 5:27 PM
If the unborn's body isn't her own property, then exactly whose property is she?
If the unborn is a human being, then she is entitled to all the human rights as her mother.
Human rights protect all humans, not just those outside the womb.
Demosthenes5 Wrote: Sep 27, 2012 5:46 PM
We are told ad nauseum: "A woman's body, a woman's choice". Through the Roe v. Wade decision, women have the unilateral right to opt out of parenthood without the input of their partners, resulting in 30% (1.4M) of all children conceived yearly being aborted for pure convenience. Reality: (a) A man's body, a woman's choice- American Society sees men as “genetic donors” at best and ambulatory wallets at worst; (b) A man's income, a woman's choice- a woman can, with impunity, lie about her fertility or use of birth control and turn a man into a court-ordered indentured servant for at least 18 years; (c) A man's reproductive options, a woman's choice- men have no reproductive options, only responsibilities; (d) A man's future, a woman's...
Demosthenes5 Wrote: Sep 27, 2012 5:46 PM
We are told ad nauseum: "A woman's body, a woman's choice". Through the Roe v. Wade decision, women have the unilateral right to opt out of parenthood without the input of their partners, resulting in 30% (1.4M) of all children conceived yearly being aborted for pure convenience. Reality: (a) A man's body, a woman's choice- American Society sees men as “genetic donors” at best and ambulatory wallets at worst; (b) A man's income, a woman's choice- a woman can, with impunity, lie about her fertility or use of birth control and turn a man into a court-ordered indentured servant for at least 18 years; (c) A man's reproductive options, a woman's choice- men have no reproductive options, only responsibilities; (d) A man's future, a woman's...
Demosthenes5 Wrote: Sep 27, 2012 5:49 PM
...choice- at least 10% of married American women lie about her child’s paternity, thereby denying their husbands' vicarious immortality; and (e) A man's child, a woman's choice- if the father wants said child, father still has no rights because said child is solely the “property” of the mother.

Hence, "regressive" uppity males (politicians, taxpayers and husbands/partners) need to be constantly reminded by feminist pundits that they are genetic donors at best and ambulatory wallets at worst w/ no reproductive rights whatsoever. I beg to differ.
Bill904 Wrote: Sep 27, 2012 9:02 PM
"Well, every molecule of its body, except for the original sperm, of course, was provided by her - isn't that pretty much the definition of "parasite?"

Other libs have tried calling a fetus a parasite before. Do you know the definition of a parasite? It's a different SPECIES from its host!
WodenofAzgard Wrote: Sep 27, 2012 9:18 PM
Makes more sense to consider the conceptus part of the woman until parturition, given that the placenta can turn cancerous and metastasize to other parts of the woman's body.

Yawl know Mittens has changed his position on abortion, right? What makes you think he won't change it again if elected?
gofer Wrote: Sep 30, 2012 1:14 AM
If you owned your body, then why aren't you allowed to sell a kidney for instance? You can sell anything else you own.
Much puzzling behavior by Barack Obama falls into place when we go behind the image that he projects ("Obama 1") to the factual reality of the man's whole life and thrust ("Obama 2").

Obama himself is well aware of the nature and importance of his image. In his own words, "I serve as a blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripes project their own views." An 18th century philosopher put the matter bluntly: "When I speak, I put on a mask. When I act, I am forced to take it off."

Many of Barack Obama's actions as President of the...

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