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The Bible vs. Heart

Texas12 Wrote: Apr 02, 2013 12:18 PM
“Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that his justice can not sleep forever: that considering numbers, nature and natural means only, a revolution of the wheel of fortune, an exchange of situation is among possible events: that it may become probable by supernatural interference!” ? Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia
gfrenke Wrote: Apr 02, 2013 12:39 PM
"Difference of opinion is advantageous in religion. The several sects perform the office of a Censor morum over each other. Is uniformity attainable? Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites"
Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia
helioquois Wrote: Apr 02, 2013 1:08 PM
Beautiful quote, gfrenke, just beautiful. You do not see this one typically on the blogs or MSM. Uniformity through the centralization of power, which is the ultimate goal of egalitarian socialism and the promise of traditional fascism and communism, eliminates excellence of all kinds and all stripes. Our politicians do not realize that they are on a fool's errand when they corrupt our laws to establish false uniformity in thought, word or deed. All they do is legitimize mediocrity as a new standard...unacceptable and anathema to America.
gfrenke Wrote: Apr 02, 2013 2:33 PM
I agree in that Christianity was an influence on fascism and Communism in the sense of a "one true answer" belief system that as Jefferson points out "..burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned....millions of innocent men, women, and children" in its pursuit of "uniformity". In this section on Notes on the State of Virginia he is arguing against the establishment of state religions within the U.S. Your comments about "our politicians" is as absurd as someone saying the religious right wants to establish a Theocracy in the U.S. It's difficult having serious conversations when the opponents views are distorted beyond recognition.
I offer the single most politically incorrect statement a modern American -- indeed a modern Westerner, period -- can make: I first look to the Bible for moral guidance and for wisdom.

I say this even though I am not a Christian (I am a Jew, and a non-Orthodox one at that). And I say this even though I attended an Ivy League graduate school (Columbia), where I learned nothing about the Bible there except that it was irrelevant, outdated and frequently immoral.

I say this because there is nothing -- not any religious or secular body of work -- that comes...