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The Upside of the Downside

Tacitus X Wrote: Jun 06, 2012 6:28 AM
The country club Republican establishment always manages to get it wrong. Did a bad economy put Weimar Germany on the right path? No, it gave them Hitler and the Nazis. Did the Depression "fix" our country? No, it gave us FDR and his statist kleptocrats. The problem wasn't that we were "too wealthy," the problem is government coercing wealth from the productive so the parasites can have a party. You might as well blame the victim rather than the mugger for having wealth to steal.
ABN-RGR Wrote: Jun 06, 2012 6:06 PM
Hmmm....you are right. The 2008 bad economy gave us BHO (you know, kind of like Hitler) and the Democrat Socialist Progressives (brown shirts, Nazi's, etc.). Did the Great Recession of 2008 fix our country you ask; no, just like the Great Depression, it gave us BHO and his big govt/statist policies. You are also correct that it isn't that we were too wealthy, the problem is the apathy and ignorance of the average citizen that put BHO and his cronies in office so they can parasitically party (like the GSA) while Rome burns.
garageman Wrote: Jun 06, 2012 4:13 PM
The problem with Jonah is not that he's "country club." The problem is that like his late hero, Irving Kristol, he's positively mainstream. His notion of affluence as a gateway to moral collapse is the coin of the realm on today's Right. It's a false notion as old as affluence itself. Reality check: Economic collapse, or at least prolonged recession, breeds a police state, not some imagined moral rebirth. God, I have come to dislike Goldberg almost as much as Kristol.
johninohio Wrote: Jun 06, 2012 11:46 PM
Nowhere did Goldberg use the words 'moral collapse' or 'economic collapse'. He was talking about cycles of economic 'decline' and the corrective effect they have on the public's political views and their economic prorities. If we did have an economic collapse then you would likely be correct. When people are homeless and starving, they lose faith in the system they had been living under. In that case, Goldberg would probably agree with you.

One of my heroes, Irving Kristol, used to say that there's nothing wrong with the country a bad recession couldn't fix.

Kristol (father of the more famous Bill, by the way) wasn't hoping for a recession, he was merely making the point that so many of the problems with our culture, both popular and political, were the sorts of challenges that come with affluence.

Wealth makes it easier to abandon the old customs, rituals and habits of the heart that generated the wealth in the first place.

For instance, I always love reading about irresolute rich families that...