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The Death of American Religion

Tacitus X Wrote: Nov 21, 2012 7:17 AM
Shapiro loves his religion far more than he loves the truth. The mainline Protestant churches are very liberal. Other than the abortion issue, the Catholic Church is very liberal. The World Council of Churches is leftist. The Catholic bishops are very liberal. Liberation theology is Marxist. Checked out the voting patterns of religious blacks and Hispanics? The Jews are famously liberal. Like the politics of those uber-religious Muslims? Where are all the church rallies for gun rights, lower taxes, lower entitlement spending, tougher criminal sanctions, etc? Equating religiousity with limited government capitalism is absurd.
Marie150 Wrote: Nov 21, 2012 10:25 AM
The true Church, those indwelt by the Holy Spirit, do not put their trust in social justice. Put your trust in Jesus the Christ alone. Churches in name only have given themselves over to the power of Satan.
johnm h Wrote: Nov 21, 2012 9:00 AM
The Catholic Church like mainline Protestants is divided between liberals and conservatives. The far left targeted religious institutions just as they did everything else. The only religious groups that are growing are orthodox Catholics, orthodox evangelicals, and Mormons and these, who used to be enemies, increasingly see eye to eye, even on theological questions. Even secular "moderns" are into a variety of mysticism and cults, including Marxism and environmentalism. It seems man needs faith in something. A religion founded on that "bank of nations and of ages" as Burke said is at least rooted in evolved wisdom and requires that one escape from the self absorption of our permanently adolescent population.
Tacitus X Wrote: Nov 21, 2012 10:10 AM
There are far better sources of "evolved wisdom" than belief in the supernatural -- philosophy, science, mathematics, history, markets.
johnm h Wrote: Nov 21, 2012 10:24 AM
Secular religions have always led to disaster. History is as much the story of religion as philosophy and philosophy divorced from values rooted in religion has taken us either nowhere or worse. That the scientific method evolved in Christian Europe, and was driven by men of faith is not an accident. Markets are founded on the notion of individual freedom which is rooted in human dignity founded on Jewish/Christian scripture. Many physicists are drifting back toward belief in the supernatural, or at least awe that leaves them near there. Utopianism in all its forms is based on faith and requires suspension of rational inquiry. Progressive utopianism is not a lot different from the hopeless belief in a utopia built on reason.
Curtis108 Wrote: Nov 21, 2012 11:02 AM
Unfortunately, they are undergirded by fundamentally religious concepts.
Paul237 Wrote: Nov 21, 2012 8:58 AM
There IS one church that puts self reliance right up with taking care of your family, and that is the Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints. This church has helped to teach self reliance to many people but there are just too many out there that would rather get money from the those of us who pay taxes. The ones that just want to get that welfare money would not know the working end of a wrench or even know how to plant a garden.
samplin Wrote: Nov 21, 2012 7:54 AM
Catholic bishops are liberal on help for the poor and the immigrant. You forget that the same bishops preach personal responsibiltiy, do not support homosexual marriage nor fraud of any kind. There overwhelming desire to care for the poor is primary.

Catholics for the most part have been Democrats. Why? Who were the majority of Catholic immigrants to this country? The Irish, the Italians, the Bavarians and the Poles. These were not groups that the descendants of the Founders embraced with open arms. They were hardworking people who made up the working class.

Higher education wasn't as available to Catholics until the GI Bill following WWII made it possible for a lot of them to get off the factory floor and into other professions.

samplin Wrote: Nov 21, 2012 7:58 AM
Cardinal Dolan summed it up when he indicated that Catholics don't ask a person's religion when they come to the soup kitchen door, or to the local St. Vincent de Paul Society for a food voucher or to have the electric bill paid. Catholic hospitals serve anyone regardless of faith or lack thereof.

There are CINOs and folks who go to Mass every week and lift not a finger to help the poor. These are not the faithful.
Tacitus X Wrote: Nov 21, 2012 10:02 AM
Supporting redistributionist schemes is the opposite of "personal responsibility." Let the pope speak for himself: "Catholic social doctrine has always sustained that the equal distribution of goods is a priority." - 9/26/07 address by the Pope in St. Peter's Square.

Wow, the bishops do not support fraud! How brave. And what charity does ask a person's religion as a condition of aid?
Marie150 Wrote: Nov 21, 2012 10:26 AM
Caring for the poor needs to be done by the Church in Christ's name not through the government in Karl Marx's name.

In the aftermath of the re-election of President Barack Obama, conservatives searched the heavens and the earth for answers. Some suggested that Mitt Romney lost because Republicans didn't reach out more to Latino voters; some suggested that Romney lost because his "get out the vote" system fell apart on Election Day. Romney himself said that he lost because President Obama separated voting groups with particularly calibrated "gifts" designed to curry their favor.

In truth, Mitt Romney lost for the same reason that traditional marriage lost on Election Day: America is becoming a less religious country. And that bodes ill...