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Why This Obsession With Iran?

Surtr Wrote: Jul 06, 2012 12:18 AM
But Pat, the atrocity propaganda drums sound too loud for us to hear reason. In this Iran obsession we have something even worse than the usual atrocity propaganda: imagining how a suicidal Iran might use nuclear weapons is used to justify another un-winnable war. I saw a video of hysterics imagining that Iran, if nuclear armed, would detonate it over the central US so the electro-magnetic pulse would shut down our power grid. Generally atrocity propaganda just makes exaggerated claims about what the boogey man did: this time we hear what he could do. We are doomed for our own hubris, not Iran's policy.
Georgia Boy 61 Wrote: Jul 06, 2012 1:37 AM
The threat of an EMP attack is real; the science has long-been established and independently verified - at least since the 1950s and the era of frequent above-ground nuclear tests. "Hysterics"? No, only people thinking ahead - you ought to try it sometime. If you want to argue that we shouldn't attack Iran, be my guest - and I happen to agree - but please get the facts straight. The EMP threat is real.
Kuwull Wrote: Jul 06, 2012 7:56 AM
Ah, but how much are our constant threats making an EMT attack more possible?
RyanM Wrote: Jul 06, 2012 8:29 AM
If this is the case and I believe this is greatly exaggerated, missile defenses need to be installed here in the US, not Europe in Poland or anywhere else.
Jay Wye Wrote: Jul 06, 2012 8:56 AM
Iran's first use of a nuclear bomb may not be over Israel,but the US,an EMP attack.An EMP attack on the US would set us back to 19th century living conditions we are NOT prepared for,and many millions would die from starvation and disease in the first year. It could mean the end of the US. Iran has been testing SCUD launches from containerships,with HIGH altitude detonations characteristic of an EMP attack,and not usable for attacks with conventional warheads . This type of attack is not needed for Israel,Iran's IRBMs already can reach Israel. But with the US crippled or destroyed,Iran is free to do as they please,without any other Western nation able or willing to interfere with them.
Jay Wye Wrote: Jul 06, 2012 8:57 AM
Also note that Iran is building a missile base in Venezuela,putting the US in range of Iran's IRBMs.
Lastly,MAD deterrence only works with RATIONAL players,and Iran's mullahs are not rational.
Jay Wye Wrote: Jul 06, 2012 8:57 AM
1979 US Embassy invasion and hostage seizure = act of war
Two US embassy bombings = act of war
1983 Marine Barracks bombing = act of war
1996 Khobar Towers bombing = act of war
Iranian IEDs,arms and training to Afghan and Iraq insurgents = act of war.
Saudi ambassador assassination plot = act of war

We have PLENTY of justification for dropping a bomb into Iran.
Jay Wye Wrote: Jul 06, 2012 9:00 AM
Too much area to be covered for local missile defense.
Plus,Iran DID sign the NPT,and we should insist they abide by it.

Have you read One Second After by William Forstchen?
it's based on FEDGOV's Commission on EMP research.
RyanM Wrote: Jul 06, 2012 9:12 AM
"Too much area to be covered for local missile defense."


"Plus,Iran DID sign the NPT,and we should insist they abide by it."

They are.

"Have you read One Second After by William Forstchen?
it's based on FEDGOV's Commission on EMP research."

No, I haven't read this propagandistic work of fantasy bur I'm familiar with this fear mongering argument. I've read Dr. Gordon Prather instead. He used to design nukes for the armed forces and he believes this is a load of nonsense.
"Iran is not seeking to have the atomic bomb, possession of which is pointless, dangerous and is a great sin from an intellectual and a religious point of view."

Thus did supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei declare in February that Iran's possession of atomic weapons would be a mortal sin against Allah.

It is also the unanimous judgment of the U.S. intelligence community, declared in 2007 and affirmed in 2011, that Iran has abandoned any program to build nuclear weapons.

Is the Ayatollah lying? Is the entire U.S. intel community wrong?

Iran's plants, at Natanz, where uranium is enriched to 5...