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What is the Future of Conservatism?

Stuart95 Wrote: Jan 11, 2013 10:58 AM
BayOWulf wrote: "But Libertarians are ... really? Are they actually a Political Party or just a place to gather all the oddballs?" Most people think libertarians are nuts because those people don't understand principles. They are used to government by whim. With the Bushes we suffered under Republican whim; today we suffer under Democratic whim. Libertarians believe, and history agrees, that the best government - that which gives its citizens the best opportunity to choose their fate - is small government. A small government does not give politicians and bureaucrats creeping power over the people. Republicans must form a fiscally conservative - socially liberal coalition with the libertarians if they wish to defeat socialism.
Jack2894 Wrote: Jan 11, 2013 11:18 AM
BINGO. Stuart is absolutely correct! Conservatives can't be absolutist big government geeks on social issues and then argue for small l government fiscally speaking.
Stuart95 Wrote: Jan 11, 2013 3:15 PM
Sure they can. And they can also continue to lose elections, and continue to let the Other Side drag us into European socialism, and continue to loose ground in the social issues.

It's possible that the "conservatives" have the numbers to bring themselves into power. And it's also possible that by insisting on highly divisive, easily demagogued social issues like gay marriage, the conservatives will find themselves with a rotten economy AND gay marriage.
kozzzer Wrote: Jan 11, 2013 11:16 AM
Completely agree. There are so many fiscally conservative young people, including myself, who would never vote for Dems because of economic policy and their limits on personal freedom, but would also not vote for the majority of Repubs for their limits on personal freedom in regards to social issues. At the very least, they need to say social issues should be left up to the states, and not support things like a Constitutional Amendment for marriage. They are turning many of the young libertarians off.
kozzzer Wrote: Jan 11, 2013 11:17 AM
And plus, majority of the Republicans supported NDAA, the Patriot Act, FISA, etc...
BillyD5 Wrote: Jan 11, 2013 12:15 PM
Completely disagree. Did the highly principled geniuses who threw their vote away on that Gary Johnson feller cost the impure Romney the election? How about the highly principled purist libertarians who couldn't bring themselves to vote for an impure republican (Ryan's budget doesn't balance until 2020) and sat out the election because they hate social conservatives?

Libertarians are in rebellion against God and thus have no use for Israel. Fiscally conservative and socially liberal is a recipe for nothing but perpetual Statism.
Stuart95 Wrote: Jan 11, 2013 12:34 PM
Romney missed election by way more votes that Johnson got. It was poor turnout by conservatives that re-elected BO.

Libertarians don't hate social conservatives - many libertarians ARE social conservatives. But they understand that implementing social issues with law is a double-edged sword that can easily be turned against them.

Libertarians relationship to God is none of your concern.

You might want to look up the definition of "statism"; I think you have it backwards.
kozzzer Wrote: Jan 11, 2013 2:45 PM
@BillyD5Can't really speak to the whole "rebellion against Got" part. But, while they may not have voted for Johnson, many small l libertarians, who are fiscally conservative and socially liberal, just didn't vote in the general election because they did not want to support a conservative on social issues, but didn't like Obama.. To get tthe young vote, Repubs need to reconsider their views on social issues
kozzzer Wrote: Jan 11, 2013 2:45 PM
@BillyD5Can't really speak to the whole "rebellion against Got" part. But, while they may not have voted for Johnson, many small l libertarians, who are fiscally conservative and socially liberal, just didn't vote in the general election because they did not want to support a conservative on social issues, but didn't like Obama.. To get tthe young vote, Repubs need to reconsider their views on social issues

I DON'T FALL IN LOVE with politicians – the last presidential candidate I voted for with ardor was Ronald Reagan in 1980 – and my heart doesn't break when those I support don't win. Nor am I a party loyalist. As a conservative I vote for Republicans more often than not; for those of us committed to free enterprise, limited government, military strength, and a healthy civil society, there is usually no better option. But the Republican Party isn't the conservative movement. And a GOP defeat doesn't mean conservatism – or the GOP, for that matter – is in crisis.

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