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Before We Give Up, Could We At Least Try Selling Our Ideas?

SteveL2 Wrote: Nov 13, 2012 7:10 AM
"warped stereotypes"??? Here are some things I've seen from posters right here on TH: Homosexuality is a unnatural perversion; Women should keep their legs together until they get married (or die virgins if they never get married); All human embryos are persons--so a rape victim must be required by law to give birth to her rapist's child; Hispanic immigrants (even legal immigrants) are naturally lazy and dislike individual freedom, and they will undercut our "Anglo-Saxon culture" Try selling those ideas to the young, or to single women (the second fastest voting group in America), or to Hispanics, and they will run from you like the plague.
wolfpat Wrote: Nov 13, 2012 7:42 AM
Who has ever said that Hispanic immigrants are lazy? I missed that fax. We all know they're hard working. That's why they came here to start with, legal as well as illegal.

Our problem is with the ILLEGAL immigrants. I don't know about you, but when I do something that is ILLEGAL, they slap my behind in jail. There are procedures for them to come here legally. Why can't they do that? A lot do, and they're all welcome.

Or do you disagree with the laws? Well, y'all are in charge now. Change them through legislative action. Obama doesn't want to do that. He has issued illegal executive orders for laws not to be enforced.
wolfpat Wrote: Nov 13, 2012 7:46 AM
When you change those immigration laws, remember that if you extend amnesty to the current residents, then their value to their employers goes to ZERO. People employ illegal immigrants because they're easily exploited, and employment laws are not followed. A new wave of illegal immigrants will follow any amnesty, and the current illegal immigrants will all have to go on public assistance.
wolfpat Wrote: Nov 13, 2012 7:59 AM
Politicians, both republican and democrat, keep talking about a "Path to Citizenship" for them. Have you ever actually TALKED to any of our Mexican friends? My buddy, Enrique (who has shown me his green card (which is actually pink)), says they don't want to be citizens. They can work here for 5 years, and save enough money to go home and live like kings for the rest of their lives.
atodt Wrote: Nov 13, 2012 7:30 AM
As to homosexuality, when two people of the same sex can procreate naturally we will revisit this.
If women enjoy sex, so be it. But they should not be pressured into being the cheep sexual object to satisfy a man's selfish desires.
Why should a baby be torn from their mothers womb, what did they do?
Hispanics are lazy, I think not would you work off the books for half wages?
Rock Strongo Wrote: Nov 13, 2012 7:26 AM
Yes, they are "warped stereotypes."

Most conservatives don't want to deny women the right to tramp themselves out to their heart's content--we just don't feel that we should be financially responsible for the children that result from these dalliances, nor for the birth control that could have prevented them.

Perhaps a tiny percentage believe that a rape victim should be required to carry the child to term, but that is not the dominant conservative belief. Some liberals believe that a child that survives an abortion should be left to die in a broom closet (in fact you've elected one President twice). Some people might call that position "extreme"--certainly no less extreme than the idea that an innocent fetus deserves a shot at life.
NewJAl Wrote: Nov 13, 2012 7:38 AM
I agree. I am rather libertarian, and feel as if people should suffer the hurts their stupid choices cause them, until the word gets around and other observant folks realize the stupidity of lousy choices. But I do not think I should get the bill, as I do not make those lousy choices.
That is not rocket science, folks.
We conservatives may never reach a consensus among ourselves as to the main factors that caused our election defeat, but surely we can agree that we must do a better job of selling our ideas.

Never mind, you say. The electorate has irreversibly become a taker class, and conservative ideas of self-reliance, personal responsibility and individual liberties will never appeal to a majority again, especially with demographics working against the GOP.

We must reject that, or we are as good as surrendering. To accept it, we are confessing our skepticism of the power of ideas, which itself is contrary to the conservative spirit.