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Steve146 Wrote: Jan 05, 2013 11:29 AM
Now to the point... I'm conservative/libertarian, raised Catholic & democrat. (Glad to be rid of those ideologies) In my world, everyone has a right to believe what they feel is right. The Pope's words upset the LGBT folks the same way their words upset so many evangelicals - because it goes against your world-view, it MUST be wrong... and in fact, banned. Many posters here would like to see all gays either killed, re-programmed, or remain in hiding. Many gays believe Christians are hollow in their souls... because they hate gays. There's the rub. Anyone who knows gay people has come to terms with the fact that there's no 'choice' involved with their sexual orientation. No young person would choose to be gay. It's very difficult.
MadMaya Wrote: Jan 05, 2013 4:42 PM
Steve, it isn't "words" that are at issue here -- it's ACTIONS and the consequences of those actions. There are sound reasons for barring gay marriage; reasons built on a long history of civilization. Read the article with an open mind. Those who oppose gay marriage see a dismantling of the foundation upon which civilization has been built. They also see in the push to put gay relationships on equal footing with heterosexual as a denial of our God-given natures. This doesn't mean that gays are evil or to be hated; simply not the norm. The only hatred I see is coming from the gays; certainly not from the Pope or good Christians. When did disagreement with a gay point of view automatically become hatred or the desire to kill the gays?
nawlins72 Wrote: Jan 05, 2013 8:29 PM
MadMaya, please provide us with the "reasons built on a long history of civilization"? And are you arguing for legislation against anything that does not constitute "the norm"?
Reginald10 Wrote: Jan 05, 2013 3:59 PM
"Many posters here would like to see all gays either killed, re-programmed, or remain in hiding."

No. As I see it, there are those who are born gay, those who achieve gayness, and those who have gayness thrust upon them.

If you're born gay, that's not your fault. I wish you what happiness you can find.

If you achieve gayness, like many old-time feminists who mostly want to hate men, that's wrong because hatred is wrong. (See MS Magazine, from the 1980's, for examples. Or the ancient Greeks, who disliked women and so preferred other men.)

If you have gayness thrust upon you, like someone who was a victim of child abuse or as a result of medical misadventure, birth anomaly, or whatever, then I hope you can be healed.
Ron-CA Wrote: Jan 05, 2013 1:23 PM
Saying you are a conservative/libertarian is like saying government intelligence. Libertarians are moral relativists, conservatives are not. You admit as much in your statement "In my world, everyone has a right to believe what they feel is right." If everyone can believe whatever they feel is right you have no moral basis for law.

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