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South Side Of Chicago Wrote: Sep 22, 2012 10:40 PM
An attack on teacher salaries is an attack on the middle class. If you want to increase rental housing infused of home ownership, slow retail growth, slow new car purchases and discourage young teachers from starting families, go ahead and lower our salaries. But when good charter school teachers want to stay making middle class money, they come work for a public. This doesn't make them greedy, it means they want to move away from their roommates apartment and get married.
smokindave Wrote: Sep 22, 2012 11:12 PM
That's a crock and you know it. No one is attacking teachers salaries, they're attacking the audacity of the teachers union in holding a city hostage to get what they want-not what deserve, or what they've earned, or what they should get-but what they want. Plain and simple. To demand a double digit pay raise, plus more job security (so they can't fire the incompetent or lazy ones) when their salary is already twice what the average Chicagoan makes is borderline extortion..
South Side Of Chicago Wrote: Sep 22, 2012 11:22 PM
Dave, in Chicago, they turnaround schools. That means they fire EVERYONE on staff. The principal, all teachers, the counselors, lunch ladies and janitors. Lots of great teachers who remain at failing schools out of love and dedication get caught up in this process and are for for no fault of their own. Lots of new teachers who take their first job at a failing school get fired. The fight for job security was in response to this process, trying to ensure an equitable way for highly rated teachers to find work at other schools. You really don't know what you're talking about if you never heard a 24 year old cry because she doesn't understand why she's getting fired from her first job for no reason and can't find a job because she has a stigma
tuttletacoma Wrote: Sep 22, 2012 10:48 PM
when public sector union parasites are making more money then the majority of taxpayers paying their salaries

and there is no accountability for failure that is the tail wagging the dog

so remind us moron what unionized school district loses failed teachers

and why are the school board members more interested in maintaining the failed status quo instead of working to improve the schools

any other profession that had the same level of failure we witness from teachers in the public sector union, would have long ago been fired or the business would have ceased to exist

yet failed teachers continue to keep their jobs as well as get annual pay raises
South Side Of Chicago Wrote: Sep 22, 2012 11:10 PM
Ask my neighbors if I am a parasite or responsible homeowner whom they like living next to. Ask the person who sold me their house at close to the asking price instead of at a crippling reduction if they mind how much I make. Ask the local business owners who I can afford to support. I'm a tax payer, too. understand that me making a middle class salary is good for my neighbors and my city.
brimley Wrote: Sep 22, 2012 10:47 PM
Who said teachers should make more than the people who pay them?
MudontheTires Wrote: Sep 22, 2012 10:44 PM
"An attack on teacher salaries is an attack on the middle class."

What a load of cr@p. The teachers unions are nothing but a bunch of parasites who simultaniously leach off the middle class while making as difficult as possible for the victims of the teachers unions(students) become part of the middle class.
HomeschoolEducator Wrote: Sep 22, 2012 10:47 PM
But not all teachers are unionized. In Chicago, yes, most are part of the union. Where I am in southern Colorado, less than 20% are part of the union. While unions do raise costs, you can't throw a blanket blame statement on all teachers.
mary anne24 Wrote: Sep 22, 2012 10:43 PM
Teachers need to contribute more to their pensions. It just can't be maintained.

I understand that we are more than $16 Trillion in debt and unemployment has been above eight percent for 43 straight months, but education reform is a moral imperative that cannot wait:

We have a crisis in our schools. This is not a new revelation, but it needs to be stated regardless, particularly at the start of another academic year and at a time when America is struggling to compete in the very fields — math, science, technology — that are defining the global economy. Consider that U.S. high school students graduate with just a 32 percent proficiency...