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The Fool Says, ‘There is no God’

Soleil Noir Wrote: Apr 22, 2013 10:37 AM
So if something cannot "come from nothing", then what external force created your god? Or does the phrase "logical fallacy of special pleading" mean anything to you? In science, "we're not sure yet" is a completely acceptable answer -- no need to make sh** up, or fall back on Bronze Age superstition...
yankette Wrote: Apr 22, 2013 10:48 AM
Black Sun, what do you have to give up in order to accept God?
DCM in FL Wrote: Apr 22, 2013 10:50 AM
"what do you have to give up in order to accept God?" -- That's always the bottom line. It's never about logic, reason or evidence. It's always about avoiding submitting to the higher authority.
Soleil Noir Wrote: Apr 22, 2013 1:12 PM
To even ask the question is to have already missed the point -- it's not a matter of "giving things up", it's a question of what the evidence supports.

To date, that does not include the existence of any gods. The Bible is not "proof" of anything -- the Bible is the CLAIM. You still have all your work ahead of you if you expect us to take you or your imaginary friend seriously.
DCM in FL Wrote: Apr 22, 2013 10:41 AM
In the "science" you believe, it's not "we're not sure yet." It's "we'll believe anything, regardless of evidence, as long as it's not God." And, BTW, there's a LOT of acting "sure" about things and very little admitting "not sure yet."

None did and none had to. You can misapply whatever "fallacy" term you choose to that. It won't hide the galaxy-sized holes in the things you do believe.

“In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” – Genesis 1:1

Be they theist or be they atheist, on this most scientists agree: In the beginning there was nothing. There was no time, space or matter. There wasn’t even emptiness, only nothingness. Well, nothing natural anyway.

And then, bang! Everything. Nonexistence became existence. Nothing became, in less than an instant, our inconceivably vast and finely tuned universe governed by what mankind would later call – after we too popped into existence from nowhere, fully armed with conscious awareness and the ability to think, communicate and observe – “natural law”...