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BREAKING: Massive Voter Fraud in St. Lucie County, Florida

smokindave Wrote: Nov 11, 2012 12:37 AM
Another observation, perhaps my friends that work in statistical methods could help me out. With all the computer models, probabilities, etc, built into the various polls, I wonder what the odds are of a candidate losing virtually every single state he was statistically tied or in the lead on? Isn't it a just the least bit strange that every swing state Romney was tied or in the lead on ended up going to the President? Even Florida-where virtually every poll showed Romney a virtual sure thing. It almost defies reason-I'm certain it defies math.
Ms Kelly Wrote: Nov 12, 2012 10:38 AM
Add to this that Obama lost every state where picture ID was required to vote. Indiana has a picture ID law to vote and we went for Romney, but in 2008, BEFORE we had the pic ID law, Obama won Indiana.

Did all those who voted for Obama in 2008 change their votes, or did they never actually vote for Obama in 08? If we knew the real extent of voter fraud, there would be an all out civil war. Why do you think Obama and Dems have tried so hard to fight voter ID?

Allen West will fight this. He knows the Art of War. He also knows who the enemy is.
Dave M Wrote: Nov 11, 2012 1:16 AM
This isn't that difficult to explain. From a statistical standpoint a 49% with a margin of error of 3 means the actual result is anywhere from 46 to 52.
A bigger issue is the one that you see often in elections. There is a lot of talk about pandering,and appealing to particular groups, etc. But close elections are won or lost by turnout. A parties candidate is responsible for insuring his parties base turns out. In this case Obama consistently got his base out across the board among all the usual Democrat demographics. Romney for whatever reason-was unable to do that consistently. The key word is consistently- Obama did and Romney didn't.
Lars795 Wrote: Nov 11, 2012 12:54 AM
Remember how there was no media frenzy over the electronic voting machines in various states registering a vote for Obama when Romney was selected? And these people voting had time to LOOK at their votes, no long lines, no polling station "volunteers" suggesting vote democrat or else. It would be interesting to go county by county in the entire US just to see, percentage wise, how many voters voted. Wouldn't it be interesting to find out that 115% of the US voted (on average) in those democrat controlled areas.
ccaammmm Wrote: Nov 11, 2012 12:45 AM
sure if u watch fox news.rasmussen is a joke, its their pollster. gallup even more so...every credible poll favored the democrats...home phone polls crack me up.... its 2012 gallup...
weedwam Wrote: Nov 11, 2012 12:40 AM
lol_liberals Wrote: Nov 11, 2012 12:39 AM
Mitt was only up in one or two national polls, namely Ras and Gallup. He was losing in almost every swing state poll. The state polls were right, and Ras and Gallup had it wrong.
lol_liberals Wrote: Nov 11, 2012 12:42 AM
If you watched Fox news, all they ever showed was Ras and Gallup, because they were the only ones that looked good for Mitt.

All the rest of the polls had Mitt down.
lol_liberals Wrote: Nov 11, 2012 12:42 AM
If you watched Fox news, all they ever showed was Ras and Gallup, because they were the only ones that looked good for Mitt.

All the rest of the polls had Mitt down.
IDotWin Wrote: Nov 11, 2012 12:43 AM
Facts don't matter to THers, obviously.
smokindave Wrote: Nov 11, 2012 12:46 AM
I agree, and I'm not saying Mitt would have, or should have won. I just find it odd that-again, based on statistics and probabilities-that what happened should not have happened. It really doesn't make a lot of sense.
Benga Wrote: Nov 11, 2012 8:19 AM
But this was what was exactly predicted by the stats and probabilities. Nate Silver crunched all of the polling data, infused with demographic and historical data and likely voter models, etc, and he called all 50 states correctly. You're assuming that the swing states were each exactly tied, and if there were 10 exactly tied states, the odds would have been 1023 to 1 that Obama would win all of them. But he didn't win all of them, he lost North Carolina. And they weren't exact ties, he had a small but steady lead in Iowa, Nevada, Wisconsin, Ohio, Virginia. He had a fairly large lead in Pennsylvania. The only real "tossup states" New Hampshire and Colorado, each of which Obama had won in 2008, and Florida, which really was a tie.

On Tuesday only one precinct had less than 113% turnout. “The Unofficial vote count is 175,554 registered voters 247,713 vote cards cast (141.10% ). The National SEAL Museum, a St. Lucie county polling place, had 158.85% voter turn out, the highest in the county.”

The Supervisor of Elections, Gertrude Walker, had this to say concerning the 141% voter turnout: “They may have had something like that in Palm Beach County, but we’ve never seen that here.”

So maybe Allen West wasn’t crazy to ask for a lock-down on the ballot boxes and machines in this county. According to...