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Bloody Hands: The Southern Poverty Law Center

smarsden Wrote: Feb 11, 2013 6:25 PM
The SPLC is about as responsible for the actions of Floyd Corkins as Scott Lively is for the death penalty being included in the original wording of the "kill the gays" bill that was proposed to the Ugandan Parliament. While Matt Barber has, in the past claimed Scott Lively was not ultimately responsible for what the Ugandan Government was inspired to do after hearing his lectures on homosexuals. The same Matt barber now says that the SPLC is entirely responsible for the actions of a gunman who took inspiration for something the group said, even though there is as much proof of them ordering the attack as there is of Scott Lively actively telling the Ugandans to pen the "kill the gays" bill.
du2 Wrote: Feb 13, 2013 10:45 AM
Lively, did go into a country, where it's dangerous to human rights and freedom to even associate with gay people and it's life threatening to be gay. He knew that it's a tinderbox of hatred of gay people in that country, and he went in direct conferences where he validated the fears, distrust and understood what the intentions of the Ugandan parliament was, without saying anything AGAINST it.
There are many other institutions other than the SPLC that lists hate groups and their activity. And gays, AGAIN are more targets of violence in this country than the other way around.
du2 Wrote: Feb 13, 2013 10:48 AM
con't: There is still systemic discrimination and bigotry in this country and it's still more dangerous to be a gay kid, than it is to be Tony Perkins. Corkins, was an extreme and highly unusual aberration. And what happened at the FRC, in comparison to the Oak Creek Sikh temple massacre, wasn't even a tragedy. Not even close. Lively DOES spread defamation. The SPLC speaks the truth. Big difference.
Beethovens10th Wrote: Feb 11, 2013 7:46 PM
What has Uganda done with what Dr. Lively has told them? Anything?

What has Floyd Corkins done with what the Intellectual Poverty Law Center has told him?
ZealousConscript Wrote: Feb 11, 2013 10:01 PM
Well currently being a homosexual is punishable by up to fourteen years in prison. Of course if the bill, influenced by Lively, passes, its life in prison.
Beethovens10th Wrote: Feb 11, 2013 11:20 PM
No one "be's" a homosexual. It's what one does.

So, if you live in Uganda, don't behave homosexually.
smarsden Wrote: Feb 12, 2013 8:33 AM
Lively gave speeches in the country about how nasty the gays were, interacting with senior religious and political figures, and within months the government of that country penned legislation that initially included the death penalty. Though that particular punishment was eventually reconsidered, the association was enough for Lively to have his day in a courthouse.

Matt Barber was arguing on Lively's behalf, claiming that regardless of what he said, he is in no way responsible for what another person is inspired to do based on his words.
Matt Barber is now arguing that the SPLC, unlike Lively, IS responsible for what another person is inspired to do based on their words.

Is there one rule for christians, and another rule for 'liberals'?
du2 Wrote: Feb 13, 2013 10:54 AM
Beethoven, how is anyone supposed to respect what you say? Why should stupidity like you spout be called anything but what it is. A person's sexual orientation WILL be what it is, whether a sex life is in evidence or not. People are fired or discriminated against without that evidence. Gay children are tormented, assaulted and abused although they are virgins. And no hetero alive is qualified to tell a gay person what to be or what they should do or what they are. Violent people who can't leave someone alone are who deserve exclusion, not gay people just for being alive.
du2 Wrote: Feb 13, 2013 11:01 AM
And, a gay activist in Uganda named David Kato was murdered in his home. Beaten to death with a hammer.
Gay people HERE who aren't involved in any politics are murdered. Two teen lesbians were shot execution style in TX last summer. One died, one was left with brain damage, the perp still at large. All Perkins ever says is that gay kids shouldn't be gay too. After Corkin's half hearted attempt, it's been the Perkins show ever since. Remarkably insensitive considering the violence that other people have suffered.
Barber once said the SPLC label was a badge of honor. Well what changed that? Ever wonder?

Long before homosexual activist Floyd Corkins entered the D.C.-based Family Research Council (FRC) with the intent to commit mass murder, I warned from the rooftops that the hard-left Southern Poverty Law Center’s anti-Christian “hate group” propaganda might spur such bloodshed. With a column headlined, “Liberal violence rising,” I wrote, “The SPLC’s dangerous and irresponsible (‘hate group’) disinformation campaign can embolden and give license to like-minded, though less stable, left-wing extremists, creating a climate of true hate. Such a climate is ripe for violence.”

Tragically, my deepest fears were realized.

Then, in August, days after Corkins was heroically disarmed by FRC...