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Federal Court Upholds Wisconsin Law on Unions

Slicker Wrote: Jan 20, 2013 7:03 AM
jimmylynn: Well, my friend, I'm not sure how old you are now but, if you talk to people of the earlier generation, back to when unions where strong you will find out this country (and the middle class) was built on Organized Labor...The "Right to Work Law" as most people define it is just that the "right to have a job" but, when it comes to protecting that job of yours where does that job protection come from. Don't forget a company can fire you for "any reason" and let me know that when your terminated for one reason or another we can go futher into details of why this country is in such of a turmoil...If we had union's we would all be better off, because the companies and there upper-level just couldn't keep all the raises for them selves
MadisonWannabe Wrote: Jan 20, 2013 9:39 AM
Slicker--- what ignorance. You as a consumer can "fire" a company if you are not happy with their product, service, prices, or employees. Why should employees be able to keep their jobs at inflated prices while you, as the customer walk down the street searching for better at another company? You are the reason jobs are being deported--because you will not put up with this from another company but want laws enacted to protect you. This is why unions exist in areas (construction and government) that can not escape.
jimmylynn Wrote: Jan 20, 2013 9:08 AM
Slicker,
"Don't forget a company can fire you for "any reason" ...."

You mean like being "lazy" and slowing down production? That is one tactic that unions draw upon to intimidate companies to give them what they want, but even more it's standard operating practice in most unionized companies.
jimmylynn Wrote: Jan 20, 2013 9:05 AM
Slicker,
You trying to be "slick". I have been a member of one of the largest unions in this country, the Teamsters. They are corrupt and a sore full of puss on this country.
FletchforFreedom Wrote: Jan 20, 2013 8:31 AM
Sorry, Slicker, but you are completely ignorant of actual history and are spouting complete drivel. In actual FACT, the middle calss LONG pre-dates unions and compensation and working conditions improved steadily and substantially since the beginning of the Industrial Revoultion due to CAPITALISM. Not only did unions have nothing to do with it, but, in FACT, the improvements were greatest and fastest in the less unionized US vs. Europe and in states where union power was least. Companies can fire for any reason but DON'T because it is in their best interests to find and keep good workers in an environment where they must compete for labor.

More union power has always made the economy (and workers) WORSE off.
jfoster Wrote: Jan 20, 2013 9:35 AM
Just in case your care....."Middle Class" came right out of Karl Marx and "Das Kapital'. Class warfare is a Communist convention eagerly embraced by the party of Roosevelt (albeit without most Democrats understanding). The same for the labor movement (proletariat) and on and on. So, here we are, post Gramsci embracing pure (yes, pure) Communism, the rhetoric of the "Post Modern" labor movement ala Trumpka, etc. Saul Allinsky, Frankfort School, New School for Social thought, and on and on to destruction!
Mike28 Wrote: Jan 20, 2013 1:42 PM
You are so wrong it's mind boggling. You need to read some history my friend. I lived it.
I'm not a supporter of today's unions, in fact I believe they need to be dismantled. The corruption is worse then ever.
However, labor organized to protect themselves, the worker. There was no OSHA setting work place safety, companies normally refused common sense safe guards on equipment reguardless of cost. If a forman's nephew or friend needed a job you were terminated and replaced.
Mike28 Wrote: Jan 20, 2013 1:44 PM
back then they called it progressive, not socialism. Today it is the same thing, just 70 years later.
FletchforFreedom Wrote: Jan 20, 2013 1:46 PM
Your position is largely correct. Actually, reference to the middle class dates back to earlier socialists than Marx who, in the 1840s, complained about the "attacks" on the middle class. Obviously it existed before that.
FletchforFreedom Wrote: Jan 20, 2013 1:53 PM
The ACTUAL history shows that organized labor was an offshoot of the socialist movement - NOT any actual need for protections. In actual FACT, working cinditions and compensation improved dramatically WITHOUT union or governmental involvement. There was no OSHA, but, then, workplace safety improved at a BETTER rate before OSHA than it did afterward. And companies routinely improved working conditions to attract and keep the best workers making disasters like Triangle absolutely RARE (as the nepotism case you cite).

You are so wrong (ignorant of the facts) it's mind-boggling.

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