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SimonNorwich Wrote: Mar 04, 2014 7:08 AM
I've already responded to this point elsewhere. There is a big difference between a baker providing a cake for a gay person, and a Jewish baker making a Nazi cake. A baker, whatever his/her belief, comes by no harm from producing a cake for a gay couple. What could possibly happen as a result of their baking or decorating a cake for a gay couple? Whereas there is clearly potential harm for any Jewish person to do anything that promotes Nazism.
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SimonNorwich Wrote: Mar 03, 2014 3:45 PM
I don't want to overuse the bus example, but it works perfectly. What you're arguing is that if a bus driver holds the sincere belief that black people should not be able to sit in a certain part of his bus, they should have to try and find another seat and be happy about it.
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SimonNorwich Wrote: Mar 03, 2014 3:39 PM
Yeah, like black people should have been happy to find another seat on the bus.
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SimonNorwich Wrote: Mar 03, 2014 3:39 PM
Becca, like so many other commentators here, you are completely blinkered into thinking there is something special about the belief of some Christians. It just happens to be the case that some Christians think homosexuality is a sin. It doesn't matter if it is the majority of Christians. Nobody who is not a Christian, or not that type of Christian, gives a damn about the view some people hold that homosexuality is a sin. Some Muslims think it's a sin; some don't. Some atheists think it's a "sin"; some don't. Preventing people from discriminating against homosexuals has nothing to do with the fact that some of the people who would wish to do so belong to a particular religion. The point of preventing discrimination is to protect those who would be discriminated against; nobody interested in preventing discrimination cares what the reasons for wanting to discriminate are. That's why it is right to compare discrimination against gays with racial discrimination; it is irrelevant whether or not the desire to discriminate comes from religion or anything else. What's important is to protect people from this kind of discrimination.
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SimonNorwich Wrote: Mar 03, 2014 12:09 PM
The mistake in this whole business is to view the law or the "cultural war" as being specifically anti-Christian. That's an incredibly conceited postion to take. Firstly, not ALL Christians hold the same views. Many Christians across the USA have no problem serving gay people, black people, people with orange hair, or whatever. And secondly, the law is aimed at the whole of society in order to provide equal protection for everyone. If it just so happens that your beliefs mean you want to discriminate against certain people, that's just tough. We could all play that game. I could dream up a reason not to serve every commentator on this article. I'm quite sure they wouldn't all take it in their stride if they were denied certain goods or services just because I didn't approve of the colour of their hair, or whatever. I wonder, for example, how the author of this article, Star Parker, would feel if she was told she couldn't sit in a certain seat on the bus, while white people were welcome to sit there?
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SimonNorwich Wrote: Mar 03, 2014 8:30 AM
They have no more of an agenda than Rosa Parks did when she chose to sit on any damn seat she liked and not be forced to sit at the back.
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SimonNorwich Wrote: Mar 03, 2014 8:28 AM
I completely fail to see how buying a cake off someone who makes a living out of selling cakes could hurt them financially!
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SimonNorwich Wrote: Mar 03, 2014 8:26 AM
That's an opinion that you're free to hold, but nobody else should have to care about it or have their lives affected by it.
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SimonNorwich Wrote: Mar 03, 2014 8:24 AM
I don't think any gay person would deny having a political agenda to be treated equally. Sometimes they have to make a stand. Rosa Parks could have sat at the back of the bus.
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SimonNorwich Wrote: Mar 03, 2014 8:22 AM
Whether or not he "approves" of such unions, it doesn't IN ANY WAY affect his life, which is why the law should offer him no support in this case.
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