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Liberals, Progressives and Socialists

Shufflegroove Wrote: Aug 08, 2012 11:07 AM
Wotan, your history needs a little work. Hitler displayed intimidation and violence largely after coming to power; he came to power via elections and legislation, and won favor through promises to the German people. (Sounds familiar.) Socialism is likewise based on the idea that some are better than others. There should be an elite doing all the planning for everyone else (why, if they're not "lesser"?), even as they talk of equality and sharing. Of course, nothing makes people equal like shared intimidation and privation forcing them to be equal. That's why the ultimate shared equality of socialism is shared misery.
Bondman60 Wrote: Aug 08, 2012 1:20 PM
Even if you can demonstrate that the connection between Nazism and socialism is weak, you cannot ignore the connections between socialism and communism is much harder to dispute.
Shufflegroove Wrote: Aug 08, 2012 11:25 AM
Great clarification, Togubin. "...the same impulse that never leaves men..." Good stuff.
Paulus Textor Wrote: Aug 08, 2012 11:23 AM
That's right, Wotan. Stalin, Lenin, Mao, and Castro NEVER used "violence and intimidation." They were just peaceful agrarian reformers, filled with love in their hearts.
Shufflegroove Wrote: Aug 08, 2012 11:21 AM
"Learn history before you try to learn from it."?

Makes sense....I....guess.
togubin Wrote: Aug 08, 2012 11:20 AM
Suffle is correct Wotan, and you are wrong.

The Nazis WERE Socialists, as any cursory reading of Mein Kampf will show you.

The Nazis and the Communists were not enemies because they were some sort of opposites; they were RIVALS for the same impulse that never leaves men, the impulse to plan and dominate the lives of others.
In Europe, especially in Germany, hoisting a swastika-emblazoned Nazi flag is a crime. For decades after World War II, people have hunted down and sought punishment for Nazi murderers, who were responsible for the deaths of more than 20 million people.

Here's my question: Why are the horrors of Nazism so well-known and widely condemned but not those of socialism and communism? What goes untaught -- and possibly is covered up -- is that socialist and communist ideas have produced the greatest evil in mankind's history. You say, "Williams, what in the world are you talking about? Socialists, communists and their fellow...