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Fighting Crime with a Vodka Bottle in Place of a Gun

Seiche Wrote: Jan 01, 2013 9:21 AM
Astoundingly, Oregon is a "stand your ground" state and getting a conceal-carry license is easy (you can carry virtually everywhere, including schools). But that is not enough. What a group of us are working on is a Castle Doctrine law that will allow us to use deadly force to protect against loss of property. It requires a simple change in one of our laws that states we can use force, "except deadly force", to protect our property. We want the law to read "including deadly force". If I catch someone breaking into my garage, I want the right to shoot that person dead: I don't give a damn if they are armed. The requirement that we must be afraid of bodily harm before we use deadly force should be irrelevant when confronting thieves.
Jay Wye Wrote: Jan 01, 2013 3:03 PM
"Castle Law" is that you don't need to retreat -in your own home-",but outside of your home,the law varies. Intruders are presumed to be a credible threat to your life or well-being. Thus deadly force is applicable.
"Stand Your Ground" law removes the duty to retreat when OUTSIDE your home.

BUT either way,the threat must be reasonably credible to your life or if you fear "great bodily harm".
You CANNOT back-shoot someone inside your home,or that's fleeing. that is not a credible threat.
gary395 Wrote: Jan 01, 2013 9:33 AM
i totally agree, the Castle Law should allow us to shoot anyone stealing, when the thief stolen something from my garage, i should have the right to kill that thief, when that drug-addict pig, stolen my tree clippers that cost me 50 dollars, i didn't catch him, but i would just cut out his eyes, so that this drug-addict pig will be able to experience all the pain that is brought upon blind people.
comsense08 Wrote: Jan 01, 2013 10:15 AM
I certainly hope YOU don't have a gun. You need to have sound mind to make life and death decisions. I think your's is a little off! Ever see anyone with low blood sugar? They sometimes do things they don't know. Hardly worth taking a life over!
midfielder2 Wrote: Jan 01, 2013 10:44 AM
They don't break into places.

It happens probably nightly. A citizen fights off a criminal in order to protect his property. But it doesn't always make the nightly news. In this case it did.   


How much easier and safer would have been this takedown of a punk in New York City if the clerk had been equipped with a hand gun rather than just a vodka bottle?  How much less of a burden to the taxpayer too, who will now have to incarcerate the criminal?

And just think of chilling effect it would have on criminals if shootings of miscreants during crimes like this were on the nightly...