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I've noticed that many are posting MOLON LABE (Come and Take Them) in their responses. NY is a perfect example of why you cannot wait for them to come to your door. You need to go to them. The State of NY cannot trump the 2nd Amend. so every politician who voted yes on this legislation and Cuomo for signing it are traitors to their oath and should be executed. Notice I am not saying assassinated for that implies they were killed for doing nothing wrong. You NYers need to start threatening these traitors with death; they fear no consequence in their actions. They endanger your life, and pay nothing for it.
The astounding aspect of the Journal News "outing" of handgun owners is that a New York resident has to apply for and, at the end of the process, eventually get a judges approval to own a handgun. As a resident of Oregon I have to go through an "insta-check" at the gun shop on the day of purchase. The record of the sale is permanently held by the gun shop, but the state's record of the sale is, by law, erased within 30 days. The citizens of Oregon would not tolerate what the castrated subjects of New York have to go through. I suggest that the Journal News incident be used by the subjects of New York state to not only disallow the "outing" of who owns handguns, but take the next step and get rid of the current process for ownership.
Falcon - You apparently missed my first post about an hour ago. A group of us in Oregon rural counties are pressing the State Legislature to change the wording in an existing law that allows us to protect our property with force, but not deadly force. We want the law to include deadly force, for theft of our hard earned property/assets is a form of assault, and we are no longer going to tolerate these catch and release parasites sucking away at our life blood without consequence.
Doug- The problem in Oregon is that many of our rural counties are going bankrupt because of public employee retirement liabilities and entitlements (recent State est. of $1 billion/yr for illegals alone). Hence, they are shutting down the jails and people convicted of grand theft are being let loose and lesser thieves don't even get tried. As a result thievery is increasing exponentially. So, the law won't scare them into not stealing. On another note, what if a thug forces a woman to preform oral sex at the point of a knife. What's the harm? It was just a little of her time. Oh, you say she has to live with being violated. So what, apparently me feeling violated by some thief ransacking my home doesn't justify killing him.
CommonSense08 wrote an hour ago that I would be wrong to shoot an unarmed person I caught stealing tools out of my garage and added that the police won't even do that. That's the problem. First of all, those tools (or my TV or my car) I bought with money I earned. Further, my insurance policies have deductibles and don't pay replacement cost, especially for older items. The point here is that my property/assets & the insurance are a manifestation of my labor, i.e. part of my limited time on this earth. So, when you steal my stuff you are actually stealing a part of my life. I consider that a direct assault on my person and I will meet it with deadly force.
Astoundingly, Oregon is a "stand your ground" state and getting a conceal-carry license is easy (you can carry virtually everywhere, including schools). But that is not enough. What a group of us are working on is a Castle Doctrine law that will allow us to use deadly force to protect against loss of property. It requires a simple change in one of our laws that states we can use force, "except deadly force", to protect our property. We want the law to read "including deadly force". If I catch someone breaking into my garage, I want the right to shoot that person dead: I don't give a damn if they are armed. The requirement that we must be afraid of bodily harm before we use deadly force should be irrelevant when confronting thieves.
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Michelle Malkin Talks Gun Confiscation

Seiche Wrote: Dec 28, 2012 10:14 AM
Jay Wye wrote about an hour ago - "it's time to feed the hogs". Those of us who know John Ross' "Unintended Consequences" know exactly what needs to be done. These gun control fools have no idea the horror that will be brought upon them, if they do not back off. I do not care how much security they have they will never be able to hide from someone with "skills" who takes them out from 300 yds out with a small caliber varmint round traveling at 4,000 fps. They will never hear the shot because the bullet spinning at 3,000 rpm will vaporize itself and their skull. Taking away my ability to protect myself and family is a direct assault on my person, and I will meet it with deadly force.
She teaches in a rural school in the hills east of the Willamette Valley. Her concern this morning and for the next few weeks is a "copy cat" wacko trying to up the body count. Teachers packing should be optional, but she and I feel that small arms tactical training ought to be a contract provision for senior admin folks. If they are not so certified, they need not apply. I realize that this will offend the sensibilities of the academics, but for a 6 figure salary you should be capable and ready to defend the children in your charge.
Katie - How ironic that Adam Lanza managed to accomplish with the massacre of children what Obama, Holder, Napolitano and Clinton could not get done when they lied about semi-auto's purchased in the US fueling the Mexican drug wars and then getting caught gun running semi-auto's into Mexico in a follow up effort to justify banning semi-auto's. The killing of these children plays right into the hands of these traitors and it is the reason Obama needed to speak (not just sit quietly in the audience) at the memorial service. There is a solution. My daughter is a grade school teacher in Oregon where it is legal to conceal carry on school grounds and she does everyday. The only difference today, she is packing her .40 cal, not the .380.
My daughter is a grade school teacher here in Oregon and she carries concealed every day. In Oregon it is legal to carry concealed on school/university campuses. She is extremely proficient with her firearm and a shooter like Lanza would have had one in the chest and one in the head before one child in her class could have been harmed. It should be optional for teachers to carry, but an absolutely mandatory contract provision for senior administrative staff. These are folks being paid 6 figure salaries, so at the very least they should be trained (and maintain their skills) in small arms tactical usage. Armed officers are not the answer; too expensive and they are the first people the shooter will target.
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Time to Remove Boehner as Speaker?

Seiche Wrote: Dec 09, 2012 11:24 AM
Re-post: Remove Boehner (with what ever method gets the job done) and elect Newt, since the Speaker does not have to be a rep. Newt has changed, knows what to do to get our country back from the freeloaders, knows tyranny when he sees it and openly calls Obama and party what they are - Lying Marxists! Sorry, that's redundant. Newt as Speaker would scare the hell out of Obama and Biden, not only because Newt would expose them for what they are, but mainly because, given the line of succession to the Presidency, their lives wouldn't be worth a plug nickel.
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