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Why stop with adultery? If adultery doesn't matter, then why would anything that does not interfere with a successful administration or individual be taken into consideration? If success, the principle of evolution, is the measure of all things, then what does it matter in the long run whether we set moral standards & expect moral examples to be set? The standard that we choose will be the standard we get, & the only standard that will win in the end will be whatever wins however it wins because success is the standard. The history of the world is that the immoral succeed, so why bother to be righteous? You can vote for the candidate that is more likely to help you to succeed, but be careful what you ask for because you might just get it.
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What's Wrong With Adultery?

Sebastian10 Wrote: Dec 09, 2011 8:57 PM
Why do I get the feeling that this pragmatic attitude is what has lead to liberalism in general gaining ascendancy in the west & Islam rising in the east & beginning to infiltrate the west? It seems to me that the tendency to always look for the practical or easy way, which is always an abandonment of principle, will step by step lead down the path of failure & ruin. Notice the devolutionary dialectic: every compromise on morality sets a new & lower level from which the next compromise begins. Who is turning up the thermostat on the frog, on us? If we keep letting others turn it up, then we have no reason to complain. Morality is pragmatically dead in the end. It is destroyed from within by vacillation or overrun from without.
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Is Collectivism Moral

Sebastian10 Wrote: Oct 26, 2011 12:47 PM
Most believe in work until it comes to salvation, then they believe in grace alone. There is no laboring for the food that endures unto eternal life in their theology, so is it really surprising that a people that have been lied to all their lives about the nature of salvation would come to the point that they believe work is also evil with regard to less important things? Freedom is not the absence of responsibility; it is the basis for it.
Mr. Youssef: Why do you suppose Evangelical Protestants persecuted, tortured, & killed Kingdom Christians like the Amish, Brethren, & Mennonites? They hated them because they taught that morality wasn't simply an option for Christians who were supposedly already saved but necessary for salvation. The commands of Christ are not merely suggestions for believers; they are requirements. Every time an Evangelical hears this obvious truth, he wants to kill Spiritually those who merely speak the truth without any threat to them physically by asserting that they are heretics. Who is more likely to be the true heretic: the one who acts like one or the one who speaks like one? The Evangelical view of salvation is Gnostic & Pantheistic in form.
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Which Side is God On?

Sebastian10 Wrote: Sep 01, 2010 1:51 PM
Generally, I agree with John & Jim, but when men have everywhere banded together to fulfill God's or their own mandates, then there is nowhere that a person can go where he will not be coerced into, not only being charitable, but charitable in the way he is told by others. Is every generation forced to choose to be part of the band & play the same tune? How do you avoid pharisaism or the tyranny of others? How do you keep charity a free choice in a forced system? If truth can be achieved by a majority voting to create a band contrary to the wishes of others, then that ceases to be either free or moral. To contrive a band which does not allow for conscientious objectors is sinful. It isn't governments business to tell people what to do...
The principle of the school that I would send my children to would say: Welcome to this private Christian school, you are free to stay & learn if you abide by our rules or to leave if you feel they are too restrictive. Anyone is welcome, but you will have public standards to keep if you wish to continue fellowship at this institution. Depending on the severity of your offenses, there are ways in which to find forgiveness if you make certain amends & repent of whatever violations you may have made. We will only accept & keep worthy students: those who accept & abide by the rules & who make an earnest effort to learn, & we want to lovingly & patiently help in anyway we can even the slowest of learners. We believe that the Bible contains...
I don't think that it is against conservative principles to use a stick to correct bad behavior; the law does that all the time, but if something is bad, I don't think it should be permitted at all. Should we legalize &/or tax drugs, divorce, & prostitution? If you are going to use sticks, are you also going to use carrots? Should good behavior have rewards or is good behavior its own reward? Should bad behavior be it own reward; shouldn't people be allowed to suffer from their own mistakes? Inform; deal with the extremes of crime & people who suffer from no fault of their own, who are in true need, but as for the rest, there is no guarantee anything will do just what you expect. The effort at trying to reform or improve every behavior...
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Whitewashing Black Racism

Sebastian10 Wrote: Jul 09, 2010 5:51 PM
From reading a few of the posts, it sure seems like the devil is alive & well on planet Earth. You can thank Allah, Mammon, whites, or blacks, but you should really look into the mirror because you are your father's children, & he was a liar & murderer from the beginning. There is no love or forgiveness with godless fools & lying b's. Its all about pleasing yourself at others expense; isn't it? Go on being the devil's minions; fight amongst yourselves. I trust that you will all get just what you deserve on judgment day - you will reap what you sow. Hate never solved any problems; it only makes them worse. The answer today is as clear as it has ever been: repent & enter the Kingdom of God; let the love of Jesus Christ shine on & out of...
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America's Great Religious Document

Sebastian10 Wrote: Jul 06, 2010 1:20 PM
Evangelicals believe only some men are created equal. To borrow a phrase from George Orwell, some are “more equal than others,” that is, they were created as “the elect.” It seems just a little odd & inconsistent to think some men, “the common,” “the unelect” were made by God, yet their rights are anything but inalienable if they ever had such rights in the first place. America was founded on freedom (including freedom of conscience): that all men yearn to be free, yet I conclude from Evangelicalism that the unelect were founded on sand, born on the wrong side of the tracks, or with the wrong color & never could have truly yearned for freedom. You could say that into this world came 2 castes of men: bond & free, “yes men” who have...
Liberals play a game in which they equate classic liberalism with modern liberalism, but classic liberalism is best represented by modern conservatism.
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