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They Shoot Rich Guys, Don't They?

Sean245 Wrote: Apr 17, 2012 11:00 AM
There is no rational defense for our current progressive tax system. If 10% is fair, than its fair for everyone weather you make $30K a year or 10 million dollars a minute. If the lowest income levels can’t afford 10% than lower it for all. Complaining that the middle class is struggling and millionaires don’t pay as much tax as average folks is to say we want everyone to struggle. At what income level are you no longer a citizen? At what income level is the government more entitled to your money than you are? At what income level are you subject to the caprices of mob rule over the rule of law?
Jack2894 Wrote: Apr 17, 2012 11:17 AM
OF course there is a rational defense. YOu don't have to agree with it, but you simply can't pretend its not rational. One of the problems in the entire debate is that true believers on either side wilfully ignore validity in thier opponents' arguments.
Sean245 Wrote: Apr 17, 2012 11:25 AM
If it takes 78,000 pages to explain it, it's not rational.
Jack2894 Wrote: Apr 17, 2012 11:37 AM
That's not your point. You claim progressivity is irrational. We could have a two page tax system that was progressive, and you would still call it irrational. IF you have a problem with the tax code based on its complexity, then say that. But dont' confuse progressive with complicated.
Sean245 Wrote: Apr 17, 2012 1:20 PM
The complexity is a direct result of the progressive system. When the government set itself up as the arbiter of fairness they opened themselves up to thousands of “yes but…” arguments. More than one tax rate is injustice, resulting in an ever illusive fairness standard that forces complexity and thousands of hired enforcers to patrol it. Kids don’t play with matches, unless your supervised, supervised by someone over 25, someone over 25 approved by your parents, or under 25 if they’re responsible, responsible means mature, mature means…
Jack2894 Wrote: Apr 17, 2012 1:54 PM
No it isn't. WHat you are describing has nothing to do with the progressive tax structure of America (ANd almost all the rest of the world). Again, you are confusing complex with progressive, and they are not the same.
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