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that being said, I do feel like certain industries are over-regulated... odd enough the biggest example is with the criminal justice system. However when it comes to food, pharmaceuticals, energy & banks I feel like the more regulation the better.
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sduffy Wrote: Aug 30, 2012 6:59 PM
Forgot to add, church was interested in educating the masses so they could read the bible* not for the purpose of increasing education itself.
I will. But I have never seen anything to indicate that it is over-regulation leading to job loss. In fact it is usually the opposite, because you need more people to keep you in compliance. And yes it does raise costs, but those costs rarely outstrip aggregate profit. They do eat into it though.
Ah, I get where you are coming from now. Enough said. I respect the Roe v Wade decision, don't necessarily agree with it but I feel like states have ways to skirt it, which is good enough for me. And unlike the Dred Scott decision, Roe v Wade allows states ways to effectively eliminate abortion within their borders.
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sduffy Wrote: Aug 30, 2012 6:33 PM
So again, to assert that Progressives want people to believe there is no creator is crazy talk, not consistent with the facts. Religion is a great compliment to a democratic republic, because it fills in where the laws of man should leave off, but it should not be the basis of how we run a government.
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sduffy Wrote: Aug 30, 2012 6:28 PM
(3) 78.1% of adults in the US claim to be affiliated with christianity, vs 16.1% that claim to be atheist according to a Pew study. So fully 83.9% of the population is religious. That same study shows that as the population ages people become more religious, cross this with the fact that most of the voters in the states are older than 30 and your assertion does not stand up. (4) You can't on one hand say that we need debate, and then state that compromise is a bad thing. Compromise is often the result of a good debate. (5) Adams was referring to the morality of the nation, not the governance of it. A small but important distinction. Tocqueville, refers to the alliance of the 2, not the dominance of one over the other.
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sduffy Wrote: Aug 30, 2012 6:21 PM
inkling, well written, here is my response: (1) all the major educational institutions were built by the church because at the time, the church was the most powerful multi-national organization and the only 1 interested in educating the masses. Public education was not seen as a worthy endeavor because the aristocracy of the time viewed knowledge as restricted good and not worthy of the peasant class. Also science began with the Egyptians and was further refined by the greeks. 2 societies that had no connection to the church. (2) While you are right there, the constitution does have a mandated separation of church and state. Meaning that policy can not be religious in nature.
I actually don't agree. Private industry needs to be regulated to a point. Otherwise you get things like Fukushima, the pento, food recalls, gulf oil spills, etc. etc. Also without fair rules, the little guy is always crushed by larger interests uninterested in competition. However, it's when government regulations pick and choose winners, ie the auto bailout, the airline bailouts, the bank bailouts, that they become detrimental to society and the economy as a whole. It's a fine line I know. But i look at it like a football game. The rules should allow for fair competition but not get in the way of it. Also don't forget the government is what built the infrastructure for the greatest nation in the world. Good governance can be a boon.
I think when you break down a parties decisions to a conglomeration of individual choices you are playing semantics. I could easily say that my statement of the will of the nation represents the same thing. Any way you slice it a group of people (nation, party, team, whatever) came to an agreement on a point or cause and decided to work together as a group to make it happen. I might agree with you on your second point, but would need to better understand it... hadn't heard about that biofuel program.
Agreed. When TARP ran out, the FED gave the TBTF banks a 0.01% lending window. So of the 2 grps who received gov't welfare, communities vs private banks, who do you think made out better?
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