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I don't find the abortion issue to be a "social" issue at all. In the majority decision for Roe v. Wade, Justice Blackmun stated that "if the humanity of the fetus could be established" it would void the decision. Therefore the question (at least legally) is a scientific one. At what point does a human become human? I have never heard a pro-abortion advocate attempt to espouse an opinion on that question. In fact they tend to run screaming with their hands over their ears yelling, "you're just a right winger!" when pressed on the issue. But if a child is deemed "human" he/she deserves the full protection of the law. No libertarian or liberal would claim that it should be legal to end the life of a healthy 2 week old baby... (cont.)
I don't put much stock in Romney's record in Mass.His legislature was 85% Democrat, meaning he had about as much actual power as the queen of England - none. The Dems could pass anything they wanted and overriding Romney's vetoes was just a formality. And he did veto (literally) hundreds of pieces of legislation. In that situation a person has to decide whether he wants any political influence at all or just sit at his desk and pout for 4 years. He wisely chose the former. Inversely take a guy like Rick Perry. As governor of Texas he had a stellar record as a conservative, but how could he not? When he started railing against Romney's "vulture capitalism" he lost me for good.
Nobody will believe these guys in 2016 after Romney's blowout victory.
BO should start looking at the D/R ratio in those polls before he gets too excited.
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sawdustking Wrote: Jul 07, 2012 9:55 AM
Sure, that whole abolitionist movement was just a fabrication because they knew that 150 years later they would have to justify the Civil War to their descendants who would abhor slavery. Hard to argue that logic.
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sawdustking Wrote: Jul 07, 2012 9:49 AM
The reasons for the Emancipation Proclamation were 1) to keep Britain from siding with the south, and 2) to unify the north by making the war about more than just preserving the union. Many in the north opposed it because they feared that free black men would move in and take their jobs, but overall the majority of white northerners were opposed to slavery.
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sawdustking Wrote: Jul 07, 2012 9:40 AM
Nevertheless there wouldn't have been a war to fight without the institution of slavery and the abolitionist movement in the north.
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sawdustking Wrote: Jul 07, 2012 9:32 AM
I didn't say anything about their motivation for enlisting. The reason for the secession was the election of an abolitionist president. The reason they died was to end slavery. What an individual soldier's motivation for enlisting is irrelevant. There were 365,000 killed on the NORTH. If I were including both sides I would have said 600,000.
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sawdustking Wrote: Jul 07, 2012 9:11 AM
According to Wikipedia there were 365,000 killed and 275,200 wounded on the North and 260,000 killed and 137,000 wounded on the South. I wasn't including the South because they were fighting to prolong the institution of slavery.
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sawdustking Wrote: Jul 07, 2012 12:32 AM
Dear Mr. Rock Please stop for a minute and consider the 300,000 white Americans who gave their lives to end the institution of slavery. You filthy racist.
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The Worst Ruling Since Dred Scott

sawdustking Wrote: Jul 04, 2012 9:51 AM
The worst SCOTUS decision since Dred Scott is Roe v. Wade. Even the Dred Scott decision only denied the slave his liberty, the Roe v. Wade decision denied a whole class of people not only liberty but life itself, and led to the slaughter of over 50,000,000 people.
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