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Beck, Marriage and The State of The Union

Sandy511 Wrote: Dec 08, 2012 8:45 AM
If the government should ban gay marriage because it is "good for society," what's to stop it from banning cigarettes, alcohol, trans fats, salt, and sugary drinks like all nanny state liberals want to do? Freedom is freedom. Don't agree with gay marriage? Don't get one.
Mark442 Wrote: Dec 08, 2012 9:35 AM
Because if someone smokes, gets cancer and dies, they die. When gays adopt children they are screwing up that child and potentially a whole generation along with it.
ericynot Wrote: Dec 08, 2012 10:45 AM
Mark,

Every really messed-up kid I ever met came out of a heterosexual family. Good parenting is good parenting regardless of the gender of the parent. The same goes for bad parenting.

We need to be sure parents have the tools they need to do that job (primarily education and loving parental models from whom to learn) and not worry so much about the parents' sexual orientation.

And, yes, I'm a parent. And, no, I'm not gay.
Larue4 Wrote: Dec 08, 2012 11:23 AM
Idiot. Only heterosexuals can reproduce, so ALL children of heterosexuals are subject to the inability of bad parents to parent. Witness the two homosexual men who adopted a boy in Seattle and one partner murders the other partner and their two year old boy. Homoseuxals should NOT be allowed to adopt, period.
ericynot Wrote: Dec 08, 2012 11:30 AM
Larue,

Why don't you take that confused observation to Jovan Belcher's baby girl in a few years when she's old enough to understand what happened with her heterosexual parents.

Parenting is not necessarily about reproduction. I'm a single parent, and my son is not my biological child.
Sandy511 Wrote: Dec 08, 2012 11:53 AM
Gays can adopt children whether they are married or not.
ericynot Wrote: Dec 08, 2012 11:59 AM
Sandy,

So can straights. Your point is?
Sandy511 Wrote: Dec 08, 2012 1:11 PM
My point is that the "children are harmed" argument cannot be used as an argument to prevent gay marriage, since the two are not legally dependent on each other. If "children are harmed" by being raised by gay parents, how is it worse if they are married gay parents? In fact, I can only imagine it would be better if adopted children of gay parents had the legal protections afforded by marriage (and divorce) laws.
ericynot Wrote: Dec 08, 2012 1:21 PM
Sandy,

Got it.

And, as I think you're saying, if gay parents are harmed by being at a legal disadvantage because of inability to legally marry (in matters, say, of health insurance, inheritance, powers of attorney, etc.), those disabilities visit themselves upon their kids as well. Allowing gay marriage helps insure the rights of their children. I'm hard-pressed to see how that can harm society.

My buddy, Glenn Beck, has made a great contribution to the TEA party movement and to a renewal of popular interest in our Founding Fathers and their ideals. For all that he deserves praise.

But, I believe, he is making a serious error in abandoning the civil right of marriage. The Republican Party was founded in opposition to two historic wrongs. The party’s first platform in 1856 denounced “slavery and polygamy—the twin relics of barbarism.” Slavery was finally put down with a terrible toll—630,000 Americans dead in the Civil War. The new movie, Lincoln, tells the dramatic story of the...