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Why the War Party Fears Hagel

RyanM Wrote: Dec 28, 2012 11:01 AM
No, the problem is that US foreign policy is dominated by a collection of warmongering neocons who want nothing less than another war for Israel. This isn't in the best interest of America for a number of reasons, one of the most important is that the US is broke.
Corbett_ Wrote: Dec 28, 2012 5:12 PM
Skip:

You clearly don't understand American politicians. They are not going to just give up their main means of reelection -- spending. Already, the rest of the world is staying away from US debt. So the government's answer is to roll the printing presses. Hyperinflation destroys nations. And hyperinflation is what we face. Let's not bring it about faster by starting an unnecessary war.

As far as the "military option" being on the table, it isn't. Look at a map. Iran can close the Persian Gulf and cripple the world economy -- including ours. We have already had 2 "cake walks" in the area. We should have learned by now that they are anything but.
Illbay Wrote: Dec 28, 2012 5:04 PM
No, the problem is you creeps throw around labels like "neocon" as if that's all you need to say to end the argument.

All "neocon" means is a former Leftist - usually of Jewish extraction - who has since shifted his stance toward pro-American foreign policy.

To you people, ANY foreign policy is wrong-headed, so you come up with stupid pointless labels like "neocon" to keep yourselves from having to explain that you are complete neoPHYTES when in comes to understanding that this world is a dangerous place for America and Americans without keeping ourselves ever vigilant.

Children.
skip59 Wrote: Dec 28, 2012 12:31 PM
Our debt? Again, it gets back to your assumption that the EBT cards must never default even if America needs to weaken itself. I don't agree with that at all. for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is the simple fact that we only have a government for protection. We don't need a government to insure we get food, we'll do that on our own.

Who said anything about starting another war? My position must be too nuanced for you. The serious threat of military intervention has to remain part of the negotiations. Iran has repeatedly proved that nothing else much matters to them.

Nice try though.
Corbett_ Wrote: Dec 28, 2012 12:26 PM
wpqr -- Natanyahu DOES want a war. He has been trying to get one started for 20 years.

As for being afraid of Iran with nukes, don't you think that the time for that is when there is some evidence that they are building a bomb? No one has any such evidence. And the CIA says that if they ever start building a bomb, we will have at least a year or two prior knowledge before they get one.
Corbett_ Wrote: Dec 28, 2012 12:12 PM
Skip:

There is a HUGE difference between defending ourselves against attack and going out and starting a war. Furthermore, our debt is the biggest threat to national security that we face. Our debt will push us into hyperinflation and national collapse. There is no need to hasten that day by starting yet another war.
RyanM Wrote: Dec 28, 2012 12:01 PM
Corbett,

It is funny to see them recycling old lies for new ones. And to think, all the neocons have to do is change one letter, a "Q" for "N".
Corbett_ Wrote: Dec 28, 2012 11:52 AM
Ryan:

Yeah -- just like Iraqi oil paid for THAT misbegotten war...

They can't even think of any original lies.
skip59 Wrote: Dec 28, 2012 11:52 AM
This is more silliness. It isn't the amount of money we have, it is the uses to which that money is put. YOu're underlying assumption is that rather than defend ourselves we must insure that EBT cards never default.

And yes, I'm calling it social program nonsense. I do this because I live in the hood and I see the abject failure of liberalism each and every day.
wpqr Wrote: Dec 28, 2012 11:49 AM
Nobody , neither the United States nor Israel "wants" a war with Iran. And to be honest, I don't really have an answer. The choices seem to be bad or worse. However, unlike a lot of other people, the thought of a nuclear armed Iran terrifies me.
And it has nothing to do with Israel.
RyanM Wrote: Dec 28, 2012 11:24 AM
Corbett,

I've noticed that. I note that neocon talk radio show hosts like Hannity and Limbaugh suffer from this disconnect as well. Funny how the US doesn't have any money laying around for the social program nonsense but has a trillion or so laying around for another stupid war in the M.E.

As for paying for this maybe they'll trot out the refurbished lie that Iranian oil exports will pay for it once Iran is "liberated".
Corbett_ Wrote: Dec 28, 2012 11:10 AM
Ryan:

There is a HUGE disconnect between these people's stance on the economy and on war. People like wpqr will be on other threads bemoaning the fact that the US is broke and in debt, but they act like we have all the money in the world where the military is concerned. This is especially true when they propose a war with Iran. They seem to think that war with Iran will be free of cost.
In the fortnight since Chuck Hagel's name was floated for secretary of defense, we have witnessed Washington at its worst.

Who is Chuck Hagel?

Born in North Platte, Neb., he was a squad leader in Vietnam, twice wounded, who came home to work in Ronald Reagan's 1980 campaign, was twice elected U.S. senator, and is chairman of the Atlantic Council and co-chair of the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board.

To The Weekly Standard's Bill Kristol, however, Hagel is a man "out on the fringes," who has a decade-long record of "hostility to Israel" and is "pro-appeasement-of-Iran."

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