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Russell15 Wrote: Jan 17, 2013 2:46 PM
The old DNA continues to exist within the cell but is altered by deletions. Nothing new is created except in error.
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Russell15 Wrote: Jan 17, 2013 2:44 PM
Every scientist will agree with what I say. Not one will say that the DNA is "new" in the sense that something is created anew. What occurs is that the Old DNA is copied, part is joined with other old DNA and a new combination of DNA is made. But the information in the DNA is all old. Anything new is a result of errors in meiosis or other flaws and the result is usually death.
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Russell15 Wrote: Jan 17, 2013 2:40 PM
Your bread anology makes my point for me. Without the bread, there is no sandwich, and the sandwich is a new combination of the bread, meat and cheese. The same is true for the zyogte, the zygote is a new combination of the egg an sperm. Without the bread you have no sandwich and without sperm you have no zygote. When the sandwich is made the cheese is still the cheese as part of the sandwich and the DNA of the sperm is still the DNA of the sperm. Just as the cheese is cut, the mayo spread and the sandwich is pushed flat, the DNA is also altered.
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Russell15 Wrote: Jan 17, 2013 2:18 PM
For some reason my posts are not being fully displayed. I though it was me at first, but I think it may be the system. I will reboot. The above should be corrected as shown below: "The DNA of the zygote is not unique, it is the DNA of the egg and sperm with deletions and errors in meiosis and elsewhere."
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Russell15 Wrote: Jan 17, 2013 2:11 PM
If you melt two old candles together you get a candle. But if you destroy one of the candles you still get a new candle if you melt it down. So your argument is invalid. Sperm and eggs are the zygote at an earlier stage. If you kill the sperm, you have no new zygote. Whereas in your example above, if you delete one of the candles, you still have a candle. Your analogy is false but it sheds light on your failure to understand the problem. The egg and sperm "are" the zygote just at an earlier stage. The DNA of the zygote is not unique, it is the DNA of the egg and with deletions. The parts of the zygote are "used" in the sense that it was in the process of being a sperm first and an egg first. The DNA of the egg sperm are especially unique.
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Russell15 Wrote: Jan 17, 2013 12:29 PM
That is not new DNA.
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Russell15 Wrote: Jan 17, 2013 12:02 PM
Most pro lifers agree with you. Most would murder me if they have a chance. I get threats every day. And the sad fact is that pro lifers have a history of murder, bombing, harassement, posting of pornography, setting fires, lying, cheating and all other evil actions. So I get your drift, you want me dead.
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Russell15 Wrote: Jan 17, 2013 11:48 AM
No, your analogy is false and the whole thing is a straw man argument. It is not my reasoning that all life dies, that is the basis of the "Law of Charity" and is a fact. And I do not murder live fetuses, I protect wanted fetuses that you try to murder. I do allow fetuses to die if their birth causes the death of born life. I use triage. The fact is that there are 150 million people that need adoption and an additional 57 million that are dying. I simply focus on saving the most life possible. You focus on letting those that are already born suffer and die. You place the life of the fetus above the life of babies, children and adults. I save babies, children and adults.
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Russell15 Wrote: Jan 17, 2013 11:39 AM
Sorry, you are wrong, the DNA of the sperm and egg are simply replications of the DNA of the mother and father. All that occcurs is that they are joined, some deletions on one copy of old DNA filled in with the old DNA of the other. Then that is replicated. There is no "new" anything other than errors in the history of the DNA in transcription, translation, crossing over and replication that occur due to enviormental influences, etc. http://users.rcn.com/jkimball.ma.ultranet/BiologyPages/M/Meiosis.html If the DNA produces the wrong phenotype, due to sufficient errors in crossing over or some other error in meiosis or mitosis, the phenotype is not human.
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Russell15 Wrote: Jan 17, 2013 11:36 AM
Sorry, you are wrong, the DNA of the sperm and egg are simply replications of the DNA of the mother and father. All that occcurs is that they are joined, some deletions on one copy of old DNA filled in with the old DNA of the other. Then that is replicated. There is no "new" anything other than errors in the history of the DNA in transcription, translation, crossing over and replication that occur due to enviormental influences, etc. http://users.rcn.com/jkimball.ma.ultranet/BiologyPages/M/Meiosis.html
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Russell15 Wrote: Jan 17, 2013 9:43 AM
I am not sure how the rough draft was posted, my error I'm sure. Please ignore it.
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