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Ronald C. Wrote: Feb 19, 2013 10:53 AM
American planes DID NOT CATCH UP WITH GERMSN IF YOU CONSIDER THE GERMAN JET - deployed near the end of the war - not like you to get a fact wrong - respectfully
Scrap Iron in Texas Wrote: Feb 19, 2013 11:03 AM
But the ME-262 was too little, too late, and several were shot down by the P-51D, still, the finest fixed wing, propeller driven plane ever built.
rickmcq Wrote: Feb 19, 2013 11:16 AM
They were all too little, too late for the 3rd Reich - thank God - but they (with the Gloster Meteor) were the beginning of the end for even the finest of the fixed wing props.
Moonbat Exterminator Wrote: Feb 19, 2013 11:24 AM
P-51 pilots learned that the Me-262 was vulnerable when taking off or landing. They stayed out of the way when they were flying, which wasn't long due to very limited range, then shot them down on final approach. The tactic was stunningly successful.
Luscious Lars Wrote: Feb 19, 2013 11:57 AM
HItler was so angered by the British night bombings of Germany that he diverted precious resources away from the jet fighter programs to the Buzz Bombs which they used to target London. At least that's what I read in a book entitled "Air War Over Hitler's Germany". The Buzz Bombs were not all that effective and he potentially ruined any chances of getting the ME262 Jet Fighter into production in any great numbers. The small amount the Germans were able to deploy, plus some of the issues they had with range limitations, made their jet fighters a non factor in air superiority over Germany. The Mustangs and the Spitfires ruled the skies towards the end.
arpiem Wrote: Feb 19, 2013 11:01 AM
Actually, you're talking about unmanned buzz bombers, I believe.
rickmcq Wrote: Feb 19, 2013 11:06 AM
Ronald is most likely referring to manned jet aircraft: Ardo Ar-234, Messerschmidt Me-262, etc. The Germans were developing about 2 dozen different jets.
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