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Ron-CA Wrote: Nov 09, 2012 11:25 AM
Are you nuts? There is nothing in the Constitution or from our founders that is libertarian in nature! Libertarianism is simply secular humanism in new clothes.
SpaceVegetable Wrote: Nov 09, 2012 7:33 PM
I agree. I've been so frustrated at the continued insistence on government as a moral arbiter. It's not the place of government to determine morality or spirituality.
Stuart95 Wrote: Nov 09, 2012 5:29 PM
1) Am I nuts? Haven't given it much thought, but don't think so. But thanks for asking.

2) The Constitution has very deliberate limitations on the power of government, especially the federal government, and place a high value on personal freedom. I consider those to be libertarian concepts.

3) Secular humanists consider social morals without relying on religion for guidance. Nothing wrong with that; IMO, they come to same conclusion as have many mainstream religions. SH is similar to utilitarianism as espoused by John Stuart Mill, a foremost advocate of personal liberty over government control - that sounds a bit like libertarianism to me. SH and libertarianism are similar, and surely not mutually exclusive.

"I want to live for immortality, and I will accept no compromise." In the same way, if he had decided that God and immortality did not exist, he would at once have become an atheist and a socialist. For socialism is not merely the labor question, it is before all things the atheistic question, the question of the form taken by atheism to-day, the question of the tower of Babel built without God, not to mount to heaven from earth but to set up heaven on earth. - Fyodor Dostoevsky, Brothers Karamazov

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