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The Monolithic Black Vote -- and My Republican Dad

Rock Strongo Wrote: Nov 15, 2012 10:18 AM
What's the big mystery? It is the allure of getting something for nothing. And when you have been told all of your life that the poor are poor BECAUSE the rich are rich, and that the rich have only acquired what they have through graft, corruption, and exploitation, you begin to believe that you are entitled to a piece of that wealth. Being self interested is not a character flaw, it is human nature. And when someone is offering something for nothing, based on the premise that the something is rightfully yours anyway, it can be a pretty appealing message.
Bick4 Wrote: Nov 15, 2012 8:45 PM
Rock, apparently you have not spent much time in white slum areas - there are actually by number more whites on the dole than blacks (although obviously not by percentage). The problem is that black "leaders" and the media have told them for decades that it is not their fault - it is the fault of the man.

If whites had heard the victim message every day from just about everyone they listen to their numbers would probably not be much different. The problem is not genetics - the problem is cultural, and liberal whites have contributed to it just as much as black liberals. In fact, if not for Johnson's Great Society I am very confident that blacks would have long ago gained true equality in our society.
Becca in TX Wrote: Nov 15, 2012 3:55 PM
Mike-I know many whites with that same attitude. If you look at the welfare rolls, there are more poor whites collecting free stuff than blacks. AND, white and black, while they're standing in line to sign the paperwork to get their free stuff, a whole lot of them have expensive tennis shoes, Iphones, expensive jewelry and are driving really nice cars.
Nanuq Wrote: Nov 15, 2012 3:27 PM
Good question. I do not believe they are intellectually inferior. I do believe there is a cultural effect that produces black-on-black slurs like "Uncle Tom" or "Oreo".

As for athletic genetic superiority, there are different muscle types in the human body, often generically referred to as slow twitch and fast twitch. Different athletic demographics excel in different muscle type distribution, which for instance can make them excellent runners of jumpers but lousy swimmer. In rough terms.
MikefromDE Wrote: Nov 15, 2012 3:19 PM
Rock: Fair enough.: Racial solidarity keeps voting in a block.
Rock Strongo Wrote: Nov 15, 2012 2:17 PM

Implicit in my answer (or so I thought) was that blacks--apparently--don't understand economics, or if they do, racial solidarity counts for more.

I'm in no way suggesting that this is because of some non-existent intellectual inferiority. It's because they cannot be expected to understand that which they have never been taught (or bothered to learn).
MikefromDE Wrote: Nov 15, 2012 2:08 PM
Nanuq: I understand your point, but are you saying that black in general are so intellectually inferior that they cannot be counted on to vote with any wisdom?
And for that matter, I’m not sure that they possess any genetic superiority on athletics. If that were so, they would dominate every sport.
Nanuq Wrote: Nov 15, 2012 12:34 PM
I'm sure to get slammed for this, but I'll say it anyway.

Are you under the impression that all people possess the same physical prowess? Why is it that blacks dominate the NBA? Are they genetically superior in that way? Yes.

Are you likewise under the impression that all people possess the same mental prowess?

Hint: we do not. We are all different, some more easily misled than others. Some are leaders, some are followers, some will never invent a new mousetrap, some will never graduate with a doctorate from MIT, some will not graduate high school.

When culture negatively reinforces what genetics may have failed to produce, there will be a large effect.

Mr. Elder is refreshing exception to that premise.
MikefromDE Wrote: Nov 15, 2012 12:22 PM
I’ll buy that. It is a very reasonable answer for an individual choice; but it doesn’t begin to address the question at hand as to why blacks are so taken with the “allure” you described.
Rock Strongo Wrote: Nov 15, 2012 11:33 AM
I'm not tempted by it because I understand economics. I understand that all of the things that we need and desire don't just exist somehow, they have to be produced through human effort. I understand that rich people are rich because they have provided something that people want and are willing to pay for, and that society is better off because of their efforts, no matter how large a fortune they amass in the process.
MikefromDE Wrote: Nov 15, 2012 10:50 AM
Unrealistic: So how strongly are you tempted by “the allure of getting something for nothing”? If this allure is so open as to have no big mystery about it, then why is the affect so limited?
Unrealistic Wrote: Nov 15, 2012 10:28 AM
MikefromDE Wrote: Nov 15, 2012 10:26 AM
Rock: That message has been going on for more than 100 years in this country. Why aren’t whites as easily influenced. And yes, self interest is human nature but why does it manifest itself this way so often with blacks. I don’t feel tempted. Do you?

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