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Robert42Vet Wrote: May 18, 2012 7:50 AM
Third point I attempt to make is that our current system has in it barriers and limitations that are placed differently at the bottom of the wealth scale and get less as you rise on the wealth scale. This presents a different system the poor live in compared to the middle class and yet the middle class lives with in a system that is different compared to the upper class. Being poor is not merely an outcome of poor choices and lack of initiative. We can simply pay the poor to be complacent in our society or we can eliminate the differences in the systems. Life teaches us that this will be eternal task so our real question is how much barriers and limitations can we easily get rid of and how much can we easily pay?
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Robert42Vet Wrote: May 18, 2012 7:36 AM
Second point I attempt to make....Totally Open and Free Markets fail to answer the pressures of the Power Model. Without protection of your Market, corruption from outside forces will distort your market making it no longer an Open and Free Market even if the participants are unaware or aware of this. Because of this, Markets can never be truly open and free and therefore the models used on what such a market would yield is voided. Once you accept that, the debate is on how much interference is allowed to deal with the outside market effects in defence of the market to create a near open and free market.
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Robert42Vet Wrote: May 18, 2012 7:20 AM
bringing my position up to the top so those offering debate can better focus to a spot. I will split it up based on context. first point I attempt to make....Social Safety Nets are needed. They include both Private Sector and Public Sector Orgs.
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Robert42Vet Wrote: May 18, 2012 7:14 AM
Someone should tell the site designer they screwed up. The auto refresh of this site is horrid. If you're going to auto refresh at least be professional enough to cache any text in an open diag box so that it can be placed back in that open diag box after the refresh hop, Also cashe a focus position marker so the reader is always returned to the spot they were reading after the hop. /rant off
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Robert42Vet Wrote: May 18, 2012 5:21 AM
30% of the wealthy is direct inherited wealth, this does not even reflect the wealth generated by inherited wealth by someone in an upper middle class who transitions to upper class at some point in their life time. Don't get me wrong, I am not begrudging those who inherited their money or the right to pass down what you have earned. I merely point out that not all wealth is by the sweat of the brow or due diligence as the the poster presented the case to be.
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Robert42Vet Wrote: May 18, 2012 5:01 AM
I don' t disagree with the macro of your position. However this post was on how people on this site are behaving awfully. You can post your opinions, even state your facts, without having to tear someone down with ridicule insults and just evil behaviour. Failing at stating your position or countering someone else's position in a manner of respect to others hardly gets people like me to believe the positions are worthy of my support. I openly state that i would rather support a failure of a budget, an over stretching of a social policy and complete failure of improving American position than support massive starvation, weak being left to die and a social conscience of dog eat dog. We can do better
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Robert42Vet Wrote: May 18, 2012 4:50 AM
if this was true, you would have nothing to gripe about in regards to the budget as you could just with hold your tax payments. Also i would think you could easily get a lawyer to sue for your past taxes paid to be returned. However it is just another crazy idea spread by people who do not really know, much like 911 being caused by the US Govt...no gold left in Ft. Knox....aliens crashing in Roswell NM.
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Robert42Vet Wrote: May 17, 2012 8:59 AM
When the Iraqi citizens pillaged Saddam's palaces is that considered a tax rebate?
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Robert42Vet Wrote: May 17, 2012 8:57 AM
since you phrased it with "rob" i would say yes. If I revolt on the system and pillage/loot your wealth is that still a safety net?
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Robert42Vet Wrote: May 17, 2012 8:39 AM
2 issues stand out on your position. 1. In our system there is employers and employees. everyone can't be an employer. 2. if unemployment was back to norms of 5%, there would still be employees who take more then give back, and I would offer this is a classic argument for the employer to have to pay more so that the poor can at least break even. admittedly tax code also plays a role in that.
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