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You Can (Not) Legislate Morality?

right-side-up Wrote: Jun 19, 2012 6:29 PM
It doesn't take "many people" doing something for it to be a problem. If only 1 in 50 or 1 in 100 people decided to walk around naked in public, or commit incest, or sexually abuse small children, I think that would bee too many. If laws against murder were overturned, I'm sure that not many people would become murderers. Would that make it no problem? No one is saying that ALL people only act morally under threat of punishment. The problem is that there are ENOUGH people who only act morally under threat of punishment to cause a problem.
nawlins72 Wrote: Jun 19, 2012 7:18 PM
"you used it as an example.
that it came to your mind (ahead of any other example)is evidence that you support that notion."

Do you speaka da english?!?! I used it as an example of conflating one issue into another, as right did, when he conflated public nudity with murder and sexual assault. I used guns as an example because it is routinely attacked by the Left and defended by the Right.

Jay Wye Wrote: Jun 19, 2012 7:09 PM
you used it as an example.
that it came to your mind (ahead of any other example)is evidence that you support that notion.

what you're missing or ignoring is that bad behavior in one arena allows other bad behavior to become acceptable,and then it becomes widespread. It's like the "broken windows" theory of law enforcement.
Jay Wye Wrote: Jun 19, 2012 6:53 PM
nawlins seems to be really good at wrong assumptions and linkages.
he seems to links gun ownership with murder,despite the fact that guns are used far more often for lawful defense than murder.
Jay Wye Wrote: Jun 19, 2012 6:52 PM
"To ban guns because criminals use them is to tell the innocent and
law-abiding that their rights and liberties depend not on their own
conduct, but on the conduct of the guilty and the lawless, and that the
law will permit them to have only such rights and liberties as the
lawless will allow...
For society does not control crime, ever, by forcing the law-abiding to
accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of criminals.
Society controls crime by forcing the criminals to accommodate
themselves to the expected behavior of the law-abiding."
---------- Jeff Snyder
nawlins72 Wrote: Jun 19, 2012 6:37 PM
The problem with your argument is that you conflated public nudity with sexual abuse and murder, the former being an aesthetic issue and the latter being acts that HARM others. Would you accept such an argument from a liberal? "If we overturn the ban on guns, what next? Legalizing murder?"

It’s one of the perennial debates in America, especially when we’re faced with socially divisive issues: Can you legislate morality?

If we mean by that question, “Can you make people moral through laws?” the answer is plainly no. If we mean, “Are laws put in place to govern people’s moral behavior?” the answer is plainly yes.

Morality is actually one of the main things that we must legislate, and my suspicion is that even those who bristle at this statement actually agree. As Frank Turek observed, “It never fails. Whenever some conservative takes a stand on a moral issue, some liberal...