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Trouble in the Nanny State

rickmcq Wrote: Mar 14, 2013 2:37 PM
@ rick "Govt." is but a collection of INDIVIDUAL human beings--no more or less human than the people they claim authority over. To say that one group of humans isn't allowed to do something--while another is--flies in the face of the statement: All Men Are Created Equal. How do you reconcile this logical fallacy?
rickmcq Wrote: Mar 14, 2013 2:42 PM
No logically fallacy at all. Individuals can form into voluntary associations wherein they each surrender some portion of their individual rights for a common good - homeowner's associations, for example. When they also give their association legislative, police, and military powers we call them Government. The goal - usually elusive -is an overall betterment.
rickmcq Wrote: Mar 14, 2013 2:50 PM
When did we enter into this "voluntary" association?
rickmcq Wrote: Mar 14, 2013 3:04 PM
As a nation, when we first formed (and re-formed) our government.

As individuals, when we accepted and maintained citizenship.
Colonialgirl Wrote: Mar 14, 2013 3:09 PM
it is NOT "voluntary" when the Government forces you to do something. I can tell you are the product of a "liberal" education that left you as ignorant when you got out as you were when you started.
rickmcq Wrote: Mar 14, 2013 3:10 PM
Your arguments totally rely on Collectivistic assumptions based on very faulty logic.

You REALLY need to get your head out of Collectivistic thinking in terms of "nations", "govts", etc...

If you're at all concerned w/the concept of RIGHTS (vs. wrongs) you need to look at things on an INDIVIDUAL basis.



rickmcq Wrote: Mar 14, 2013 3:20 PM
My replies are based on history. "We the People" formed this Government, remember? If any of us today reject this voluntary association, they are free to renounce their citizenship and go along their merry way.
inkling_revival Wrote: Mar 14, 2013 3:24 PM
The folks who formed our nation actually explained their thinking:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. "
inkling_revival Wrote: Mar 14, 2013 3:25 PM
See? It's right there; government power derives from the consent of those governed, but that consent can be removed.

Like the proverbial monkey typing for infinity and getting Shakespeare, Mayor Bloomberg's obsession with reforming New Yorkers' health has finally produced a brilliant ad campaign.

Posters are popping up in subway stations and bus stops giving statistics about teen pregnancy that show cute little kids saying things like, "Honestly, Mom ... chances are he won't stay with you. What happens to me?" and "I'm twice as likely not to graduate high school because you had me as a teen."

(Based on a recent CBS report, the kid could add, "Then again, I'm in the New York City public...