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The Malicious Mangling of the Virgin Mary

Rich D. Wrote: Nov 16, 2012 11:38 PM
Dreadnaught011 Wrote: 1 hour ago (9:48 PM) Actually that doesn't follow. Paul didn't say All in the literal sense. --- And you can cherry-pick the metaphorical? You hold the envelope against your forehead until it "comes" to you? What's it like to play the eternal victim?
Dreadnaught011 Wrote: Nov 17, 2012 12:51 PM


That's right. NOT to be forced as a literal rule of faith. We know better. The Will of the Father is absolute: No exemplar of sinful life in the world was worthy to become Christ's mother.

This would have been absurd and insulting to the holiness of the Eternal Son Incarnate. Common sense is clear. Mary had to be conceived without sin and remain sinless all her life; for the honor and glory of Jesus her Son.

At the same time; Paul's use of a single word is hardly a reason to belittle the mother of God. It is quite reasonable to see the ALL as NOT the literal meaning.

Unless you interpret the word to suit your master; Satan.





Rich D. Wrote: Nov 16, 2012 11:50 PM
And Jesus was obviously referring to the religious leaders of the day who took away the kingdom from the people - ALL of those who did that were thieves and robbers. To the Jews, a thief was one who stole in secret and a robber one who stole openly.

So call me another name - courteous debate is beyond you.
Dreadnaught011 Wrote: Nov 17, 2012 2:24 PM


If what you interpret is true, John the Baptist and the prophets of Israel were all thieves and robbers. WHY?

He said ALL who came before. You're tangled in your own web.

Rich D. Wrote: Nov 19, 2012 12:01 AM
The prophets were never the leaders in the Temple, wee they?

And so now all means all? Mary sinned. Mary died.
Rich D. Wrote: Nov 19, 2012 12:14 AM
wee = were.

Jesus was referring to those who came pretending to be pastors or guides of the people, those who would enter the sheepfold. If you knew the Greek, it is pro eimi, that is, in his place as those who would show the way to salvation, but devoured the sheep of Israel with their oppressive policies and actually stood in the way. His discourse was directed against the line of Pharasaic authorities. Otherwise, you can take "all" in the popular sense. You cannot take "all" in the popular sense when the text amplifies it in Romans 3:23, 5:12, and 2:12. The message is unequivocal - sin entered the world through Adam and Mary was a child of Adam. Otherwise, the blood of redemption would not have been necessary.
Rich D. Wrote: Nov 19, 2012 12:24 AM
And finally, dummy, in Luke 1:46-7, Mary calls Jesus her Savior. In obedience to the law of Moses, she made the appropriate sin offering in the Temple. Why? And she calls herself the handmaiden, not wife, partner, queen, or mediatrix. Our intercession is through Christ (Heb 7:22-25), and the Holy Spirit (Rom 8:26-27). Period. Scripture is clear except to those would distort it for vain power.

And if you think about the wedding at Cana, if the wine ran out, the guests were probably already too drunk and she was thinking carnally. So he honored his mother. Why else would the text say that the bad wine was put out last? - the drunken guests wouldn't know the difference! You lose, as always.
Dreadnaught011 Wrote: Nov 19, 2012 1:30 AM


Catholics are taught from the beginning no one is saved ever except by the grace of Jesus Our Holy Redeemer.

Mary is His holy mother, but saved by his grace all the same. In the extraordinary manner God the Father chose for her alone. Making Mary of all His creatures the Immaculate Conception.

No one but God had power to effect this miracle. And HE DID!

Dreadnaught011 Wrote: Nov 19, 2012 1:35 AM

No one can say who was drunk at the wedding feast of Cana. (John 2).

Because, of course, John didn't say who. Maybe you think John was drunk?

No matter. He wrote the truth. The Holy Virgin obtained a miraculous favor from her Son Jesus ! This is Bible truth!

Eat your heart out, Rich D! Jesus didn't ask your approval. He heard His mother's words and to please HER --not any wedding guest; He worked His first public miracle!

Dreadnaught011 Wrote: Nov 19, 2012 1:44 AM


Hey, Rich -Dummy,

". . . she calls herself the handmaiden,"

I know. I read the bible, rich.

We know that in this life Mary was a humble, silent, holy handmaid of the Lord. It was in heaven; when she was assumed body and soul to glory; Mary was crowned by the Father and His Son Jesus Christ; Queen of heaven and earth forever. No other queen is higher on earth or in heaven; since SHE is the royal mother of Our Lord of Lords and King of Kings, Jesus Christ! This is revealed by the Holy Spirit in the Catholic Church.



Dreadnaught011 Wrote: Nov 19, 2012 3:43 AM


"The prophets were never the leaders in the Temple, were they?"

But you said ALL. That means everybody, Jack. By your own stupid criterion.

Mary is the Immaculate Conception. With God nothing is impossible, get it?

AmyDB Wrote: Nov 16, 2012 11:49 PM
A Karnack reference?
Bright Gods...too funny....Was the envelope on the porch Rich?
Rich D. Wrote: Nov 16, 2012 11:56 PM
Dreadnaught011 Wrote: Nov 17, 2012 12:53 PM

So, you agree with Amy; "Bright Gods"...? She means False gods, I would argue.

Rich D. Wrote: Nov 18, 2012 11:56 PM
You are too stupid for words.
A Christian can be crushed gazing at the picture of Mary standing at the foot of the cross, watching her beloved son suffocate and die. But in that vision, she stands there for hours, patiently enduring her suffering. For two millennia, she has been a role model for Christians, a woman who practiced obedience in the most difficult of human circumstances, with fervent hope for what this sacrifice will offer all mankind as it struggles with sin.

This is why it seems so hard to reflect that vision of patience when black-hearted "artists" practice character assassination on the Blessed Virgin...