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Right-to-Work Laws Shouldn’t Exist, so Why Am I Happy about What Happened in Michigan?

Richard_B Wrote: Dec 15, 2012 10:53 AM
"The ideal system, of course, would be a simple and fair flat tax." A flat tax is still a tax on income. How is it "fair" when only half the people pay income tax? Will drug dealers and others with illegal income pay taxes because it is "simple"? We tax things like cigarettes and alcohol to discourage their consumption. Is the intent of an tax on income to discourage people from working? In his "Communist Manifesto" Karl Marx advocated an income tax. Alexander Hamilton advocated a consumer tax. You can argue all you like for the communist income tax but I prefer to argue for a consumer tax in the form of a national sales tax as provided by the Fair Tax.
Larry303 Wrote: Dec 15, 2012 11:22 AM
Look up the FAIRTAX, when you get past the bs that the progressives throw out you'll find that it is truly the best possible system, below the poverty line you pay no taxes(everyone gets a prebate of all taxes up to the poverty line), above that line you pay on new goods and services. The more you buy the more you pay. millions are saved by business in tax prep fees and our goods are cheaper overseas so our exports expand dramatically. Business pay no tax on business purchases( business now just pass their tax costs down the line as higher prices on their products so that the end consumer ultimately pays all taxes) so they can afford to hire more people, who in turn buy more stuff and pay more taxes.
Richard_B Wrote: Dec 15, 2012 11:08 AM
You propose that business also be taxed with a "flat tax". Do you truly believe that a business doesn't pass expenses on the the consumer? Get real. Even with a very simple income tax form a business must keep records so that they can fill in the "simple" form. The expense of keeping those tax records is also passed on to the consumer. The average American made product has a hidden tax of 25% in the selling price. Do away with business taxes and prices on an American made product would drop if there is competition. The average American company spends are much on income tax related items as they pay in income tax. Those expenses are passed along to the consumer.
JRM57 Wrote: Dec 15, 2012 11:05 AM
I don't like the idea of income tax at all, period. The fairest system would be a "value added tax" on everything that is bought except food and medicines. I like this much better because the richer you are, the more things you buy and so the more the richer would pay in taxes. You wouldn't see a poor person buying a car every year, but the rich do.

This would be a much better tax also because if politicians raise those taxes too high, the economy will balk and fight back. If the tax is too high, people will stop buying. If it's a fair rate, and there's no income tax, people will spend more money bolstering the economy.
PaleoPatriot Wrote: Dec 15, 2012 11:40 AM
JRM - You're confused with the "national sales tax." The Value Added tax is paid at each step of the process of production and finished products will be enormously expensive.

A national sales tax is simple and everybody pays.
Roy323 Wrote: Dec 16, 2012 12:00 AM
PP "and everybody pays" is a fine theory, but I'm willing to bet a fair amount that IF such a thing a "a national sales tax" were to be passed, there will be all sorts of "exemptions for food stamp, welfare recipients etc. There are just MANY folks who never will pay "taxes"! IMHO
Joseph64 Wrote: Dec 15, 2012 10:59 AM
The national sales tax would be best because it catches some of that illegal income that would normally go unreported whenever the criminal spends any of his ill gotten loot. As soon as any of that money appears on someone's books, the government gets their cut.