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Bush Was Right (in 2000)

Ric47 Wrote: May 28, 2012 9:52 AM
Bush was right in 2000 and Bush did blow it when he subsequently failed to follow his own advice in Afghanistan and Iraq. But Bush's advise is better preventive medicine then any cure for existing involvement – if we don't want to be involved in nation building then we shouldn't use our forces for nation destroying. As a general rule, if the enforcement of law and order is removed in the defeated country then disorder, not a better government, follows and the result will be worse than if we hadn't gone in in the first place.
Sword of Light Wrote: May 28, 2012 10:33 AM
I'm with your second point, Ric47. I do not think that he failed to follow his own advice, though. The difference between Afghanistan and Iraq and the Somalia example is that Somalia was already a wreck when we came in. It was not our responsibility to try to mold a new Somali government. In Afghanistan and Iraq, we did the wrecking (in the same way that we "wrecked" Japan and Germany), so it was our moral responsibility to try to pick them up and help them to rebuild.
TexasChris Wrote: May 30, 2012 11:05 AM
No. The cost of losing a war falls to the loser, not the winner.

Also, Somalia is a disaster because the UN keeps it that way. Left alone they would rise to the top of the sewer. Thay'd still be crap, but at least they'd be floating crap...

Let’s make foreign policy like it’s 2000. I think we will support our troops and vets by revisiting the foreign policy that former President Bush expressed in 2000. Otherwise, we will send brave hearts into vain battles.

In October, 2000, George W. Bush debated Al Gore on C-SPAN. He said:

“I think one way for us to end up being viewed as the ugly American is for us to go around the world saying: ‘We do it this way, so should you.’ … It really depends upon how our nation conducts itself on foreign policy; if we’re an arrogant nation they’ll...