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On Roe v. Wade

Ress Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 11:35 PM
Memo for folks who want all abortion punishable as murder. A couple of hard realities: 1. It ain't gonna happen, no way, no how. Even if Roe v. Wade is overturned, that just leaves the issue to the individual states (where it belongs under the Constitution). For a woman wanting an abortion, the most that could happen is that she will have to drive a bit farther to get it. 2. Saddling conservative political candidates with this position accomplishes nothing except to help elect more liberals. There are a number of things that could be politically achievable to reduce the number of abortions, but we aren't likely to get them this way.
DCM in FL Wrote: Jan 23, 2013 8:13 AM
"There are a number of things that could be politically achievable to reduce the number of abortions, but we aren't likely to get them this way."

We also aren't likely to get them by letting wealthy organizations keep making more money the more abortions they do. Any "pro-choicer" who says abortion should be "rare" is in sharp disagreement with abortion providers.
Denny9 Wrote: Jan 23, 2013 7:11 AM
The same appeasement policy was the forerunner of increased evil in the world, not less. By the way, circular logic - the statement assumes its own truth - is illogical. See statement number two above.
jimmylynn Wrote: Jan 23, 2013 12:30 AM

Just a couple of hard realities:

1.) Aborting innocent children is a crime against humanity, those supporting it are on the wrong side of this issue.

2.) More and more Americans have transformed into a majority that believe abortion is wrong.
Ress Wrote: Jan 23, 2013 12:38 AM
Pointing out that some efforts to fight abortion are counterproductive is not supporting abortion.

Believing that abortion is evil is not the same as demanding that the law treat it as murder.
jimmylynn Wrote: Jan 23, 2013 1:00 AM

No effort that opposes murder is counter-productive, silence or complacency is and supports murder with a silent fiat.

"Edmund Burke said, ‘The only thing necessary for the triumph [of evil] is for good men to do nothing.’"

Just as killing or taking a human life is not evil given the right circumstances, taking life under the right circumstances is evil murder and should be called out for what it is and treated accordingly. If taking an innocent human life is murder by law, it should be murder in all cases except under very narrow and rare circumstances, not by the millions of frivolent abortions we see today.

To be human is to error. We must accept our fallability and we should error on the side of life and not death.
Petrus64 Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 11:50 PM
You do realize that it was reasonably available before R v W? In the common sense terms in many places. All that decision did was made it convenient, for both the mistakes and the eugenics crowd.
Earl29 Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 11:50 PM
You're probably right.
I'm not saddling any politician with this position.
I am not a politician. I'm not running for any office. I do not plan to stop fighting for human rights. Popularity is not that important to me.
Ress Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 11:52 PM
You have every right to fight for your views. You will accomplish more by avoiding self-defeating tactics.
Earl29 Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 11:56 PM
Sorry, I have to be honest. I can't pretend that abortion is different than what it is: the killing of an innocent member of the human species.
Earl29 Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 11:59 PM
Every member of the human species has equal inherent value. If you can deny humanit to any member of the human species, you can deny humanity to any member of the human species. If you know history, you know that is true.
Earl29 Wrote: Jan 23, 2013 12:08 AM
Maybe, in a century or two, the world will accept the idea of human equality, if mankind still exists.
James____Tx Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 11:38 PM

On this fortieth anniversary, let's pray: For the more than 55,000,000 lives that have been snuffed out by abortion, for the women (and men) who have suffered emotional or psychological trauma as a result of abortion, for those who heal and comfort them, for those who help women choose life, and even for those who think that having a "right" to end the lives of unborn children is something to celebrate.

There are circumstances where abortion may be a sad necessity or justifiable (life of the mother, rape, incest).  But it's hard to see how anyone can feel...