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Romney: Actually, the Context of "You Didn't Build That" Is Even Worse

Redumbapubs Wrote: Jul 24, 2012 9:21 PM
Nothing more than that no man is an island. You can be proud of your accomplishments, but you must also realize that you are standing on the shoulders of those who helped lift you in the past and those that continue to do so in the present. That includes the shoulders of people in the government. If nothing else, the military and the police are just a few of the government employees you need to operate your business in a stable environment. As Obama mentioned, the Internet did not come from the private sector. The Republicans are engaging in a classic liberal tactic here -- it's called overplaying your hand.
DinCO Wrote: Jul 25, 2012 9:36 AM
You, sir, are burying your head in the sand. President Obama was most definitely using this line of attack to assert that successful people should pay back more. And it is apparent YOU know this but do not want to concede it so that makes you an idiot. If Romney is NOT paying his fair share, what should his share be?
Redumbapubs Wrote: Jul 25, 2012 12:33 AM
You are living proof of the old adage: "Look for something hard enough and you'll find it."

There plenty of people like you living in trailers in Arizona who are certain they saw a flying saucer land just over the hill top.

As for: "are you saying successful people are not paying their fair share?"

Well Romney sure isn't.
DinCO Wrote: Jul 25, 2012 12:18 AM
You are either stupid or dishonest. There was more to it than simply saying no man is an island. And, are you saying successful people are not paying their fair share?
Redumbapubs Wrote: Jul 24, 2012 11:59 PM
Sorry, no.

Government helps business. You don't create your business by yourself. Certainly that implies some civic responsibility and the fact that you should pay your fair share of taxes.

There wasn't more to it than that.

As for public education, there were no public schools until the 19th century.
DinCO Wrote: Jul 24, 2012 11:46 PM
Finally, Governor, public education was one of the tenets our Founding Fathers based this country on. Please name me one Republican that was kicking and screaming against public education at that time. You can not because THERE WERE NO REPUBLICANS (or Democrats) at that time. Please sir, if you want to have substantive conversations, be honest and know your facts.
DinCO Wrote: Jul 24, 2012 11:40 PM
The fact that you and other Obama supporters do not want to go down this path is understandable. Unfortunately, Obama is way off base here. Infrastructure (including public schooling) is paid for primarily with local taxes and fees. Property taxes pay for schools, libraries, water and sewer systems and gas taxes and user fees pay for highways, roads and bridges. The Federal government has say only over the gas taxes. So, that brings me to whether Obama is sincerely trying to make the case that these successful people have not paid their fair share of property taxes, gas taxes or user fees??? Is he truly wanting to run on that platform?
DinCO Wrote: Jul 24, 2012 11:35 PM
Several things, Governor. First, you are now being patently dishonest. The president most certainly did have a larger point for pointedly asserting that successful business people "did not build that by themselves". And, if you cannot even acknowledge that, then you sir are being intellectually dishonest. His point, regardless of what "that" was referring to, is that successful people have had "help along the way" and should, therefore, pay back more (to the government, of course). Quite a convoluted and contorted exercise to try and drive his point of the wealthy not paying their fair share.
MoreKowBell Wrote: Jul 24, 2012 11:23 PM
Applicants who can read and write?!?! Far too many public schools are an abject failure! As for republicans were never for public education, that' another lie. Repub's were against Carter's pay off to the education unions by creating dept of Ed.

Btw, defecrats were never for freeing the slaves. They had to be brought along kicking and screaming.
Redumbapubs Wrote: Jul 24, 2012 11:11 PM
"I asked what was the larger point he was trying to make."

Sorry, there wasn't any. It wasn't that profound of a speech. Or that controversial of a statement. At least not anymore.

You can throw in educational infrastructure as well by the way. Publics schooling. Priivate schooling by itself was never going to get it done.

Government helps business. A business owner has a pool of applicants who can read and write. The business owner didn't create that pool.

Republicans were never for public education. They had to be brought along kicking and screaming.
DinCO Wrote: Jul 24, 2012 9:51 PM
oops, that should read "throw" rather than through.
DinCO Wrote: Jul 24, 2012 9:49 PM
Ok, so he just made the (quite profound) point that "no man is an island", To what end, Governor? Why would the president through this, captain-obvious, assertion into his speech? I asked what was the larger point he was trying to make.
MoreKowBell Wrote: Jul 24, 2012 9:40 PM
Not really. If you place owedowngrade's past comments into his typical "spread the wealth around" Marxist context along with his pro-comminuist associations and history, it's quite easy to judge obozo as anti business. Besides, this latest obozo gaffe really energized his opposition.

The "out of context" refrain isn't just echoing through the fever-swamp lefty blogosphere and MSNBC, mind you; the Obama campaign itself is singing along:
 

“Mitt Romney continues to criticize President Obama by taking his words completely out of context -- all while sitting with small business owners who built their enterprises through their own initiative but with some help along the way,” she said.


Here's Romney succinctly explaining why, in his words, Obama's "context is worse than...