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Social Conservatives: GOP Can't Live Without Them

ReddestNeck Wrote: Nov 27, 2012 1:53 PM
A GOP which stifles the voice of traditional morals will shut down the last viable political forum for such a voice to be heard -- the Democrats slammed their door to that long, long ago.
ReddestNeck Wrote: Nov 27, 2012 3:23 PM
But how do zinc dollars dilute golden ones?
ReddestNeck Wrote: Nov 27, 2012 3:22 PM
Would you bother to care even if 100% of scientific research said yes, here in this womb, except for being tied in with an umbilical cord, here we have something as human as one that's just been delivered? If you wouldn't care, then why try to prove it to you.
HeraldOfGalactus Wrote: Nov 27, 2012 2:51 PM
But how does gay marriage dilute straight marriage? Do you have any evidence or studies to indicate this? If gay marriage is determined to have no negative consequences on straight marriage, then would you still oppose it?

As for the unborn and pain, what has science uncovered about the ability to sense pain? Can you cite any research?
ReddestNeck Wrote: Nov 27, 2012 2:18 PM
You jolly well know that laying a requirement on society that it must treat "gay marriage" the same as normal millennia-old marriage is a dilution of the meaning of the normal one as well as a violation of the rights of the persons thus forced. Should we adopt everything that American Indian tribes do? Should we adopt everything the Chinese do?

I understate vastly by saying it is a "mistake" of course. You miss subtlety. The unborn are even more sensitive to pain than the born are.
Seljo Wrote: Nov 27, 2012 2:17 PM
BTW, we see how that worked out with birth control and ObamaCare...
Seljo Wrote: Nov 27, 2012 2:16 PM
What many, including myself, are worried about is homosexual marriage in combination with "hate crime" laws. Do federal "hate crime" laws allow someone to conscientiously object to providing services for said marriages (photographers, ministers, cake makers, etc)? Or would one who has a moral objection to these marriages be forbidden by federal courts to decline to service such customers?
HeraldOfGalactus Wrote: Nov 27, 2012 2:09 PM
I don't see how gay marriage is an attack on marriage itself. How does gay marriage affect heterosexual marriage anyways? Why would any heterosexual couple be less inclined to get married because gays can get married? Also, I encourage you to do more research on the history of marriage. Gay unions have been conducted by other cultures (mainly Native Americans and in China).

Also, what has science shown with respect to abortion to indicate it is a mistake?
ReddestNeck Wrote: Nov 27, 2012 2:03 PM
You know jolly well that "gay marriage" is a punking attack on an institution that is at least millennia-old if it doesn't date back to the very appearance of homo sapiens (which is not homosexuals). As an unacceptable new challenge, it is recognized. They don't want to just prance around of themselves, which they could already do. They want to force the whole society to treat them as married.

And as science itself has opened up more and more windows on the not-yet-born, it becomes even clearer if it wasn't already clear that abortion is a horrendous mistake.
HeraldOfGalactus Wrote: Nov 27, 2012 1:58 PM
What traditional moral are you talking about? Issues like gay marriage and abortion are fairly new for the GOP. They have only been part of the platform since the 70s, which isn't very long in the grand scheme of things. Now I'm all for traditional morals like personal responsibility, self-reliance, and rule of law. But is it really necessary for these other moral to be involved? How are they even traditional?
One of the largest elephants in the GOP's post-election room is the fate of Christian and other social conservatives. Party honchos can't just wish this problem away -- or, maybe they can.

There has been increasing hostility toward Christian involvement in politics, and the animus hasn't been solely from the left. To be sure, Democrats have taken the lead, demonizing conservative Christians as science-challenged scolds who don't care about women's "reproductive rights," but there is plenty of antipathy from certain elements within the Republican Party, as well.

Many establishment and some libertarian Republicans have long looked upon Christian conservatives with mild, condescending...