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Exclusive: Occupier Says Breaking Windows and Burning Cop Cars Isn't "Violence"

rectreg Wrote: May 10, 2012 5:04 PM
The functional word is "charge"; Conviction is different as domestic violence entails assault, battery, kidnapping or a litany of other felonies where a family member is physically hurt or threatened to the point of reasonably fearing safety.. if he said, im going to hurt you and broke the chair, perhaps you have an argument...your premise doesn't hold up
Gayle__CO Wrote: May 10, 2012 9:33 PM
You are right, I did not elevate the discussion with my "word play." I thought you might call me on it. As far as I am concerned the guy in this story behaved in a violent manner. Here in Colorado, one of our hockey players was charged with domestic violence because he argued with his wife and proceeded to tear out a door frame. She called 911 and then thought better of it because she knew, according to the law, that he would be charged with domestic violence and spend the night in jail for his behavior. This is a case of "degree." He didn't cause physical harm to his wife, but he frightened her enough for her to seek help. Breaking windows, door frames and destroying cop cars are acts of violence, period.
rectreg Wrote: May 10, 2012 9:05 PM
nice Gayle, your wordplay is very witty. Thanks for elevating the discussion. This is not splitting hairs. You have a case for destruction of property; that is not the same as domestic violence. You tried to make that point in your last two sentences by suggesting he damaged property in a fit of rage but ultimately its not the same thing. Yes, the justice system can fail in many places. Murderers go free, innocent people are locked up. A charge is not a conviction. Taking aggression out on an inanimate object is not the same as harming a person.

Nuance is important. We should split hairs, we should logically rip each others arguments apart. But let it rest on the argument, not whether or not you can dismiss me by calling me rectum...
Gayle__CO Wrote: May 10, 2012 5:23 PM
rectum, your argument is merely splitting hairs. Someone can be charged with murder and the perpetrator may not be convicted for various reasons. The fact is, the murder victim is still dead.
In my scenario, the guy was charged with domestic violence because domestic violence took place as codified by the law.

Yesterday we learned that the SEIU, a union with heavy ties to President Obama, is paying $4,000 per month for office space in downtown Washington D.C. What is the office space for? Occupiers to organize and meet. President Obama supports Occupy Wall Street. So yesterday, I decided to take a trip down to the Occupy offices and check it out for myself. The office is located on 16th and L and is on the 6th floor.